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["Peter Knop" <knop@erols.com>]

We shot 105 this year, but it did little good as they  are pushed from the
surrounding houses onto us - and we have a creek with riparian borders which
acts as  100 meter wide invitation to come from miles around.
      BUT there is hope.  We have developed a deer proof (and if properly
built piglet, dog, rabbit proof) "fence". Takes a little room though.
Actually we did not develop it - it was used until the very early 1900s all
over America. Barbed wire and American wire killed it, but it is the
ultimate environmental fence/hedge.  Made of osage orange.  Took us 7 years
to figure out (plus an 1850's book) how to really build one.  We may even go
commercial with it, not only for wildlife protection, but also for security
purposes against humans.  We also have a neat hardy orange hedge which is
guaranteed to keep people out - second world war, the doughboys had to bring
in bulldozers to advance through parts of france where they were unable to
get through these things.
       Most important is that it takes about three years to build a good
osage hedge.
       In the meantime, a very cheap and quick and easy to install deer
fence can be put up and removed when the main hedge has established itself.
      So what used to be a disaster for our orchard now is something
relegated to memory.   They really did mangle the orchard, nt to mention
some of our conifer jurseries (bucks) as well as other destructive behaviour
in vegetable and flower garden (no azaleas - or no flowers as they took off
all the tips. MONSTERS!  Some people here call them simply giant rats, justr
another rodent but HUGE......
 Peter, ZOne 7, N. VA Chantilly

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>    1. Re: groundhog - beaver recipes (RW Spalinger)
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>    3. Re: groundhog - beaver recipes (Bill Russell)
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> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:22:23 -0600
> From: RW Spalinger <rwspal@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] groundhog - beaver recipes
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> On Feb 5, 2004, at 11:01 PM, Peter Knop wrote:
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> > We have a dreadful problem with beavers here in suburban N. VA...we
> > now have to fence everything we
> > plant - looks bad and costs...
> >      ...We hate killing anything we don't use, so a recipe would be
> > welcome.
>
> We have a similar problem with deer - real pests here in SE Texas where
> they roam by the hundreds. We have to fence every fruit tree
> individually. This doesn't look that good, is costly, and takes a lot
> of time and energy.
>
> The females move through all year, eating off the branches and leaves
> until there is nothing left but the vertical trunk. Then, during
> rutting season, the males come through and scrape all of the bark off
> the entire circumference of the trunk with their antlers, gouging the
> underlying wood, and break off any remaining limbs, thus killing the
> tree.
>
> The joke is on the deer however, because the gophers often kill the
> trees by eating the roots before the deer can get to them. I'm about
> ready to just set piles of money on fire rather than continue to buy
> fruit trees to feed the vermin. It accomplishes about the same thing.
>
> There are however, many recipes for venison.
>
> Randall Spalinger
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> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:32:59 +0000
> From: "Ward Barnes" <ward_p_barnes@hotmail.com>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:55:14 -0800
> From: "Bill Russell" <shaman@pennswoods.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] groundhog - beaver recipes
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> The dogged persistence and blind optimism of NAFEXers is inspiring!
>
> Bill
>
>
> > We have a similar problem with deer - real pests here in SE Texas where
> > they roam by the hundreds. We have to fence every fruit tree
> > individually. This doesn't look that good, is costly, and takes a lot
> > of time and energy.
> >
> > The females move through all year, eating off the branches and leaves
> > until there is nothing left but the vertical trunk. Then, during
> > rutting season, the males come through and scrape all of the bark off
> > the entire circumference of the trunk with their antlers, gouging the
> > underlying wood, and break off any remaining limbs, thus killing the
> > tree.
> >
> > The joke is on the deer however, because the gophers often kill the
> > trees by eating the roots before the deer can get to them.
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:00:28 -0500
> From: "Peter Knop" <knop@erols.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] groundhog solutions
> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Back in  the old days when we had farm folk as neighbors
> rather than town houses, an often used method of getting rid of ground
hogs
> was to block all but one entrance, (and that one partially) stick a pipe
or
> hose down it connected to the exhaust of a gasoline engine (car or pickup
> usually) and let it run for half an hour.  CO and CO2 would do the trick.
>      We have tried it on beavers with unknown success - probably were not
> able to block all the outlets, not to mention the mound itself was
probably
> not airtight.
>   Peter, Zone 7 N. VA
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:23:18 -0600
> From: "Dr. Ethan Natelson" <natelson@pipeline.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Seeking Greg Miller
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> Dear Greg,
>
>       I sent you a note at the address listed in Pomona <gsmiller@cet.com>
> but it bounced.  Was this a fluke or do you have a new e-mail address?
>
>                                                            Regards, Ethan
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:40:21 -0500
> From: road's end farm <organic101@linkny.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] American Mirabelle Plum
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 09:18 PM, Rodney Eveland wrote:
>
> > I came across this plum at Cummins nurseries.
> > http://www.dabney.com/cumminsnursery/plum.htm
> >
> > They describe it's flavor as addictive.
> >
> > Does anyone know the characteristics of this particular plum including
> > hardiness zone? They also sell just plain old Mirabelle so there must
> > be a difference.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> I would contact Cummins and ask them. They're pretty reliable people.
>
> I expect it's hardy at least in zone 5 as they're near Geneva, New York.
>
>
> --Rivka
> Finger Lakes NY; zone 5 mostly
>
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