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["Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs@hotmail.com>]

I wouldn't put this on the sender. They could have been put in a garage or 
the house for the cold nights.
 If the plants arrive alive they are your responsibility. No excuses.

Gordon C. Nofs
Flint, MI. Z 5
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Reply-To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
To: Mike Levine <crunchy@oldweb.com>,North American Fruit Explorers 
<nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] properly hardened off plants
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 23:37:00 -0400

You are in Michigan, in zone 5, and it's barely April.  A reputable  retail 
company shouldn't be sending you tender green vines until late  April, or 
May, unless you specifically requested it.  If they mostly do  wholesale, 
they might be used to shipping to growers with greenhouses.   If this was a 
regular retail operation, I would ask them for a refund  or replacement.   
I've now bought hundreds of plants, (okay, that  includes bulbs, but dozens 
of orders) and have only once asked for a  replacement - the plant was 
mislabelled.    So I am not one to rush for  a refund.  But this really 
sounds like their fault.

Ginda Fisher

On Sunday, April 6, 2003, at 11:07  PM, Mike Levine wrote:

> We have frequent late frosts here too.  Can you or anyone else suggest  
> which
> varieties are the latest to leaf out?  I'm determined to grow some  kiwis
> here.
>
> Mike Levine
> Ann Arbor, MI
> Zone 5b
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Sorensen" <dan.phantom@westpa.net>
> To: "Mike Levine" <crunchy@oldweb.com>; "North American Fruit  Explorers"
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] properly hardened off plants
>
>
> > OK then, if they are exposed to anything below 32 degrees it won't  matter
> > if they're hardened off or not.  Kiwi foliage, especially new growth,  
> > will
> > freeze below that temperature.  I've found that that's the major  problem
> > for me with hardy kiwi.  Virtually every year we get frost two or  three
> > times after the buds break and it always means the vines have to  start 
> > all
> > over again.  I haven't seen any secondary buds with blossoms like
> > grapes.  That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I just haven't seen it
> > yet.  Once they get big enough, the upper branches can sometimes  protect
> > the foliage underneath so I usually get a small crop, but I find it  very
> > frustrating year after year.
> >
> > Sorry for your loss.  I know how it feels.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > At 08:11 PM 4/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > > They were leafed out, but as I said I had them up against the house  and
> > > under the overhang, which I believe should give them a few more  degrees.
> > >
> > > Mike Levine
>
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