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  • From: "The Pritchett Family" <qrfarm@cableone.net>
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  • Subject: Re: [MSAR] MSAR-Riders Digest, Vol 75, Issue 12
  • Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:23:26 -0500

I use a TWH and have for four years.He's getting better every year.Don't
ride QH and never will. Dick Pritchett Calhoun county Mounted Patrol

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Today's Topics:

1. gaited horses for sar (ron bostic)
2. Re: gaited horses for sar (no name name none)
3. Gaited MSAR (Laurie Hanahan)
4. Re: gaited horses for sar (Kinch)
5. Re: gaited horses for sar (Lauri McBeath-Davies)
6. Re: gaited horses, no winners (Yvette Rollins)
7. Re: gaited horses for sar (T'mi Fi)
8. Re: gaited horses for sar (Una Smith)
9. Re: gaited horses for sar (IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN)
10. Re: gaited horses for sar (ALLEN SNYDER)
11. Re: gaited horses for sar (ALLEN SNYDER)
12. Re: gaited horses for sar (pennbo@verizon.net)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:00:15 -0400
From: "ron bostic" <cowboy@ecr.net>
Subject: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
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I have found that many gaited horses such as walkers pasos and others are
not suitable for sar. They lack the disposition and calm abilities of the QH
. In my area of ohio gaited horses are seldom used for anything but long
distance riding because of the hot blooded nature and lack of temperament.

Cowboy@ecr.net

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Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:10:18 +0000
From: no name name none <blindrodie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
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Well I'm glad this came up as I was thinking it but not writing in!

In all my 40 years around horses I have yet to meet a Paso I would try to do
SAR with. I can't imagine Pasos riding calmly, quietly and with forward
looking attention, much less any attention span at all. No offense, just my
humble opinion...

I realize any horse can be trainined to do just about anything. I've just
never seen a Paso that was trained to be calm and quiet.

Jim

From: cowboy@ecr.net
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Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:00:15 -0400
Subject: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
















I have found that many gaited horses such as walkers pasos and
others are not suitable for sar. They lack the disposition and calm
abilities
of the QH . In my area of ohio gaited horses are seldom used for anything
but
long distance riding because of the hot blooded nature and lack of
temperament.

Cowboy@ecr.net


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:18:54 -0400
From: "Laurie Hanahan" <lhanahan@mindspring.com>
Subject: [MSAR] Gaited MSAR
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In our MSAR team of 16 operational members, there are more gaited than not.
My mountain pleasure horse is meant to be in the rugged terrain we search,
has no difficulty lasting all day long carrying heavy packs, has a sweet and
willing temperament which is typical of this breed. The TWH's and spotted
saddle horses on our team are also outstanding.



As usual - temperament and stamina depends on the individual horse.



Laurie Hanahan

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:36:00 -0700
From: "Kinch" <kinch@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
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I own and use a Tennessee Walker for all my riding and SAR work. I have
found him to be extremelly reliable and calm under conditions that a lot of
horses have spooked at. We have had a helicopter hovering about 75 feet over
our heads on searches, worked at night under red light conditions, had
emergency vehicles pass us with lights and sirens on (he didn't like it, but
he didn't spook), conducted mounted traffic control, been 15 feet away from
big Vancouver Island black bears, bull elk & other animals and he has done
well with them all. My wife's Walker is also vey reliable on the trail and
on the street. I have come across a couple of Walkers and other gaited
horses that are not suitable for SAR work, just as I have come across
several Quarter Horses that are not suitable. I think it has more to do with
their disposition and training than it has to do with their breed.

Joe Kinch

----- Original Message -----
From: ron bostic
To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
I have found that many gaited horses such as walkers pasos and others are
not suitable for sar. They lack the disposition and calm abilities of the QH
. In my area of ohio gaited horses are seldom used for anything but long
distance riding because of the hot blooded nature and lack of temperament.
Cowboy@ecr.net



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:54:10 -0700
From: Lauri McBeath-Davies <wcsar406@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
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Thank you. I have to second that opinion. I've had Arabs that I could do
anything with and I've had QH that were useless. Most of my experience has
been with Arabs, so I've seen the good and the bad. The gaited standard
breds that I've been around have been quite docile and accomodating and I
wouldn't hesitate putting them into a SAR situation. I believe there are
breed tendencies, but each animal has it's own personality and temperment. I
don't judge based on breed, but based on behavior.

"I can't complain about something if I'm not willing ask for help, help do,
or do myself"
************************************************
Lauri McBeath-Davies
(360) 961-2828
Search & Rescue - 4x4, Swiftwater, RACES, Summit To Sound, & Hug-A-Tree
KD7PSI
wcsar406@hotmail.com

Application Support Technician - Bellingham Public Schools
lmcbeath@bham.wednet.edu
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From: kinch@shaw.ca
To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:36:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar




I own and use a Tennessee Walker for all my riding and SAR work. I have
found him to be extremelly reliable and calm under conditions that a lot of
horses have spooked at. We have had a helicopter hovering about 75 feet over
our heads on searches, worked at night under red light conditions, had
emergency vehicles pass us with lights and sirens on (he didn't like it, but
he didn't spook), conducted mounted traffic control, been 15 feet away from
big Vancouver Island black bears, bull elk & other animals and he has done
well with them all. My wife's Walker is also vey reliable on the trail and
on the street. I have come across a couple of Walkers and other gaited
horses that are not suitable for SAR work, just as I have come across
several Quarter Horses that are not suitable. I think it has more to do with
their disposition and training than it has to do with their breed.

Joe Kinch


----- Original Message -----
From: ron bostic
To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
I have found that many gaited horses such as walkers pasos and others are
not suitable for sar. They lack the disposition and calm abilities of the QH
. In my area of ohio gaited horses are seldom used for anything but long
distance riding because of the hot blooded nature and lack of temperament.

Cowboy@ecr.net




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:59:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Yvette Rollins <hoosierhorsemen@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses, no winners
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There will be no winner's in this type of email so let's get back to
business.?
?
Yvette from Indiana

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Lauri McBeath-Davies <wcsar406@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Lauri McBeath-Davies <wcsar406@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 3:54 PM




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Thank you. I have to second that opinion. I've had Arabs?that I could do
anything with and I've had QH that were useless. Most of my experience has
been with Arabs, so I've seen the good and the bad. The gaited standard
breds that I've been around have been quite docile and accomodating and I
wouldn't hesitate putting them into a SAR situation.? I believe there are
breed tendencies, but each animal has it's own personality and temperment. I
don't judge based on breed, but based on behavior.

"I can't complain about something if I'm not willing ask for help, help do,
or do myself"
************************************************
Lauri McBeath-Davies
(360) 961-2828
Search & Rescue - 4x4, Swiftwater, RACES, Summit To Sound, & Hug-A-Tree
KD7PSI
wcsar406@hotmail.com

Application Support Technician - Bellingham Public Schools
lmcbeath@bham.wednet.edu
************************************************


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From: kinch@shaw.ca
To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:36:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar



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I?own and use a Tennessee Walker for all my riding and SAR work. I have
found him to be extremelly reliable and calm under conditions that a lot of
horses have spooked at. We have had a helicopter hovering about 75 feet over
our heads on searches, worked at night?under red light conditions, had
emergency vehicles pass us with lights and sirens on (he didn't like it, but
he didn't spook), conducted mounted traffic control, been 15 feet away from
big Vancouver Island black bears, bull elk & other animals and?he has?done
well with them all. My wife's Walker is also vey reliable on the trail and
on the street. I have come across a couple of Walkers and other gaited
horses that are not suitable for SAR work, just as I have come across
several Quarter Horses that are not suitable. I think it has more to do with
their disposition and training than it has to do with their breed.
?
Joe Kinch
?

----- Original Message -----
From: ron bostic
To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
I have found that many gaited horses such as walkers pasos and others are
not suitable for sar. They lack the disposition and calm abilities of the QH
. In my area of ohio gaited horses are seldom used for anything but long
distance riding because of the hot blooded nature and lack of temperament.

Cowboy@ecr.net



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:15:04 -0400
From: "T'mi Fi" <tfinkle@erols.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
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Jim,

I think it would extremely interesting and educational if some one
comprised a file of the breeds of equines that are currently being used
as MSAR mounts. I believe such a list of breeds would prove to be
rather enlightening.

PS: I am not sure which Paso Breed you are referring to, but you may
want to contact the manager of the Commonwealth Search and Rescue Team's
Mounted Unit (near Roanoke VA) for a couple of pictures. On May 2nd
2009, while deployed (on my TWH) on a search task at the Knight Search
in Amherst County VA , I witnessed 2 MSAR Responders from the CSAR
Mounted Unit whose horses were very calm and quiet! The breeds of those
2 horses were a Paso Fino and a Peruvian Paso.

T'mi
www.trotsar.org


no name name none wrote:

> Well I'm glad this came up as I was thinking it but not writing in!
>
> In all my 40 years around horses I have yet to meet a Paso I would try
> to do SAR with. I can't imagine Pasos riding calmly, quietly and with
> forward looking attention, much less any attention span at all. No
> offense, just my humble opinion...
>
> I realize any horse can be trainined to do just about anything. I've
> just never seen a Paso that was trained to be calm and quiet.
>
> Jim


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:46:51 -0600
From: Una Smith <una.smith@att.net>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
To: Mounted search and rescue <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
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This is a general comment, addressed to no one in particular, about
our current debate, "gaited, good or bad?"

MSAR-Riders has had this particular debate before. I suppose it is
a debate our community needs to repeat now and then, so new members
learn what others have learned before them. That is: what matters
is the performance of the individual horse and rider. Focus on the
individual performance requirements necessary for mounted SAR. Most
stereotypes are irrelevant and can be ignored.

Speaking of sterotypes, we haven't had another popular debate here
in a while: "tall or short horse, which is better?"

Una


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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:09:11 -0400
From: "IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN" <ilichten1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
To: "'Mounted search and rescue'" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I prefer tall, I like carrying a ladder around with me.
Our unit's basic guidance is to ride a horse you can reliably mount in the
field. This translates to short searchers ride short horses and tall
searchers ride short to tall horses. I have seen a rider over 6 feet and
275 pounds on an Icelandic, and I have seen a girl under 5-3 or so on my
17-2 Percheron. Both looked strange.

Irv Lichtenstein
"Those who don't learn history, will repeat it."
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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:47 PM
To: Mounted search and rescue
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:51:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: ALLEN SNYDER <allendana1@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
To: Mounted search and rescue <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I agree with Tomi even though I don't own a Paso, but know a few.? They can
be hot it seems due to their bloodlines, how they are fed, worked and
trained just like any other breed.? Unfortunately, some show
breeders/trainers breed for gait or winning and temperament is not always a
priority.? I?know one young Paso who had abusive training to prep for
showing and it is questionable if he will ever be a reliable trail horse.?
Dana

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, T'mi Fi <tfinkle@erols.com> wrote:

From: T'mi Fi <tfinkle@erols.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 5:15 PM


Jim,

I think it would extremely? interesting and educational if some one
comprised a file of the breeds of equines that are currently being used as
MSAR mounts. ?I believe such a list of breeds would prove to be rather
enlightening.

PS: I am not sure which Paso Breed you are referring to, but you may want to
contact the manager of the Commonwealth Search and Rescue Team's Mounted
Unit (near Roanoke VA) for a couple of pictures. ?On May 2nd 2009, while
deployed (on my TWH) on a search task at the Knight Search in Amherst County
VA , I witnessed 2 MSAR Responders from the CSAR Mounted Unit whose horses
were very calm and quiet! The breeds of those 2 horses were a Paso Fino and
a Peruvian Paso. ?

T'mi
www.trotsar.org


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Well I'm glad this came up as I was thinking it but not writing in!

In all my 40 years around horses I have yet to meet a Paso I would try to do
SAR with. I can't imagine Pasos riding calmly, quietly and with forward
looking attention, much less any attention span at all. No offense, just my
humble opinion...

I realize any horse can be trainined to do just about anything. I've just
never seen a Paso that was trained to be calm and quiet.

Jim

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Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:42:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: ALLEN SNYDER <allendana1@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
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I agree with Irv to some degree that it is best if the size and disposition
of the rider and mount are matched?somewhat.? Although some breeds can carry
more weight, it is not best for long-term soundness and performance to have
too large a rider on a small mount.? The humane issue also needs to be
considered.
?
Then there is the physical "soundness" of the rider which I think about more
at age 50 than I used to.? It is much easier to get on and off a 15.3
quarter horse that is stout enough?to take up a long leg and easily balance
upon rather than my old 17 h. thoroughbred.? The TB does not stand as
patiently and it would be difficult to put an injured person or passenger?
upon should need arise.

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Una Smith <una.smith@att.net> wrote:

From: Una Smith <una.smith@att.net>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] gaited horses for sar
To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 6:46 PM

This is a general comment, addressed to no one in particular, about
our current debate, "gaited, good or bad?"

MSAR-Riders has had this particular debate before. I suppose it is
a debate our community needs to repeat now and then, so new members
learn what others have learned before them. That is: what matters
is the performance of the individual horse and rider. Focus on the
individual performance requirements necessary for mounted SAR. Most
stereotypes are irrelevant and can be ignored.

Speaking of sterotypes, we haven't had another popular debate here
in a while: "tall or short horse, which is better?"

Una
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