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Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org

From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter AT jabber.org>
To: yaniv AT yedda.com
Cc: microid AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:46:46 -0700

Square peg. Round hole. Push hard.

I see no problem with using microids that way, but to mandate that it's
the only way to use them is overly restrictive.

And I don't think that a microid is equivalent to rel='me', because it
can be used even by folks who don't have a web presence.

E.g., http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/and/ says:

"A user with an XFN Friendly blog, blogroll, or web site, can use that
site as a nexus for linking together all these otherwise disparate and
isolated social networking sites, by linking from those sites to their
blog, and then linking from their blog to their particular page(s) on
each such centralized social networking site."

Unfortunately, most people don't have an XFN Friendly blog, blogroll, or
web site (and most people probably never will).

But I do agree that we need to explain how microid works in a friendly
way with rel='me', OpenID, and other such technologies.

Peter

Yaniv Golan wrote:
> Why not go with the uF spirit, and mandate that this information
> should be inserted by the controlling party in a human readable
> format:
>
> <a href="anything-here" rel="me" class="microid
> microid:sh1:hash-number">any text here - e.g. "My ID"</a>
>
> I am not very comfortable myself with the uF philosophy - I don't
> really see human-readability as a must-have in most cases, and I find
> that it actually forces some strange user interface compromises. The
> transparency goal can be achieved in other ways (browser awareness for
> one).
>
> But since uF has a good momentum, and it's a good (set of) spec(s), I
> feel that it'd be best to align with it instead of missing the
> opportunity to get wide adoption for MicroIDs, which are a brilliant
> idea IMO :)
>
> Yaniv
>
> --
> Yaniv Golan
> My profile on Yedda: http://yedda.com/people/9512186217351/
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: microid-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:microid-
>> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Evan Prodromou
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:59 PM
>> To: microid AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org
>>
>>
>> If I had to summarize it, I'd say that a MicroID was an assertion by
>> the
>> party in control of that section of the page (either the <head> or a
>> smaller element) that the agent identified by the first URL has a
>> relationship with the resource identified by the second URL. That
>> relationship could be any of:
>>
>> * Resource describes Agent
>> * Agent is creator of Resource
>> * Resource is an identifier for Agent
>>
>> Anyways, all very interesting.
>>
>> -Evan
>>
>> --
>> Evan Prodromou <evan AT prodromou.name>
>
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Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org , (continued)
- Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Fred Stutzman, 11/28/2006
  - Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Eran Sandler, 11/28/2006
    - Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Peter Saint-Andre, 11/28/2006
      - Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Evan Prodromou, 11/28/2006
        
        Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Peter Saint-Andre, 11/28/2006
        
        Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Fred Stutzman, 11/28/2006
        
        Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Peter Saint-Andre, 11/28/2006
        Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Fred Stutzman, 11/28/2006
        
        Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Evan Prodromou, 11/28/2006
        Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Yaniv Golan, 11/28/2006
        Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Peter Saint-Andre, 11/28/2006
        
        Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Eran Sandler, 11/28/2006
        
        Re: [Microid] MicroID.org and Microformats.org, Yaniv Golan, 11/28/2006