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  • From: mdnagel@verizon.net
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Permaculture - Farms for the Future
  • Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:42:32 -0600 (CST)

I'd add the following presentation by Dr. Albert Bartlett as absolute proof:

http://www.guba.com/watch/3000053112/Arithmetic-Population-Energy

When one establishes fundamentals, such as we promote here in this group (esp. soil building), then all else falls into place, makes perfect/indisputable sense...  Sustainability dear Watson, sustainability...


-Mark Nagel
Everett, WA


Jan 14, 2010 06:08:06 PM, livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:

Oh, I'm not offended. I'm not even surprised that most people have strong opinions and no information. Many just get spoon fed their prejudices from Rush Windbag and the others paid millions to spout corporate propaganda 24/7. But I'm not going to debate the obvious with those who don't want to think. I'll leave a couple sources to answer that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
http://www.peakoil.net/
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/SecondPage.html
http://www.ipcc.ch/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

As I've said repeatedly, we already have the best reasons to move to sustainable living on the land, whether you know anything about the perfect storm converging on us or not. Don't send any more canned corporate talking points to this list. I've been seeing the same message elsewhere for years.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net


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On 1/14/2010 at 7:05 PM John Bischoff wrote:

>>_______________________________________________
>Apologies to any who will become offended !!
>.
>"Peak Oil" is a hoax. Invented for the profit of Standard Oil and the
>"Seven Sisters" it was broken up into.
>Mankind has only tapped (not 'used' but 'tapped') maybe fifteen
>percent of the available oil on the planet.
>We are nearly swimming in oil and gas. There is no lack of oil.
>Over near Thailand there is a 'gas flare' out in the South China Sea
>that burns 24/7. The flame must be at least 800 feet tall and 100
>feet across, you can see it clearly for at least sixty miles. They
>burn it because it would cost too much to capture it and ship it and
>sell it. If we really needed that fuel, do you think they would just
>burn it to get rid of it? Calculate the height by line-of-sight and
>the curvature of the Earth.
>Oil did not come from dead dinosaurs or dead primeval forests.
>Oil is formed from overheated rock at very high pressure, the planet
>makes it, and there will always be some. Look it up.
>Nobody seems to care about the oil seeps on Kodiak Island or the oil
>fields yet to be discovered in that area.
>Not to mention the deep oil fields west and south of Hawaii. Not to
>mention the domestic un-tapped fields off both coasts and the east
>half of the Gulf of Mexico and the right good-sized field under the
>northern Rockies and the others here and there.
>And China, Indonesia, Philippines, and Thailand are going to have a
>fight, sooner or later, over the oil fields near the Spratley Islands
>in the South China Sea.
>.
>Likewise . . .
>.
>Global warming may be occurring - it has before, and it will again -
>but mankind's efforts are meaningless either way. Unless we have a
>really good nuclear war, with thousands of bombs used, mankind will
>strive mightily but have no discernible effect on planetary climate.
>One volcano emits fifty or a hundred times as much carbon dioxide as
>all mankind. Carbon Dioxide is less than 1/100th as effective as a
>greenhouse gas than water vapor, and mankind is responsible for what,
>maybe 5% of the carbon dioxide. And people think that mankind can
>have a measurable effect on Earth's climate by emitting more carbon
>dioxide?
>It's a hoax. We are being ripped off - again.
>Hey, how about let's cover the oceans with plastic to keep the water
>vapor from being such an important greenhouse gas.
>We really do not yet comprehend how big Earth really is, and how
>insignificant all our works really are. Go thru Google Earth and look
>for signs of where people live - you can't even tell if people live
>down there from more than about 20 miles up. That's one four
>hundredth (1/400) of the Earth's diameter (about 8000 miles), about
>equal to the thickness of a piece of cardboard from a cereal box as
>related to a basketball. So we humans are proportionally about the
>same as bacteria living on a basketball. Yet we think that we can
>affect the whole basketball. Hooey!
>If we had good sense we would realize that a couple degrees warmer
>would be a GOOD THING and we could have vineyards on the shores of
>Greenland again and bumper crops elsewhere with two or maybe even
>three crops per year like we did when Eric the Red was sailing around
>the North Atlantic and planting villages in Vineland (Nova Scotia)
>where they raised grapes (thus the "Vineland").
>.
>Of course if you have a profit-making interest in either of those you
>will disagree (Al Gore). If you don't, then do your research or just agree.
>Best regards
>John
>Again, apologies for offending anyone.
>
>
>Weapons of Mass Distraction: Government lies and propaganda
>promulgated by the media.
>




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