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["henry walden" <henrywalden@lycos.com>]

You go boy!




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Subject : Re: [Livingontheland] Permaculture - Farms for the Future
Date : Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:15:04 -0700
>From : "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
To : livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org


I didn't say it couldn't be done; I said it's pointless. At least in arid, 
treeless areas of NM. You don't happen to know how much money they blew on 
the permaculture designer and the whole setup, do you. And it took them five 
years? (I got a bad place, semi-arid, producing for market in one year.) How 
would that help regular folks trying to make ends meet? What are they 
supposed to live on in the meantime? Sure it got publicity but that doesn't 
change the fact it was an incredibly wasteful stunt. Hey, if we can't afford 
a real place we'll just set up permaculture in the desert! 

I'm going to file that one in the Bad Ideas folder with communes, papercrete 
and strawbale. All the things that last just long enough to get an article 
written about how cool they are. 

paul tradingpost@lobo.net 

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On 1/17/2010 at 9:34 PM Tommy Tolson wrote: 

>But people did it in the desert of NM. Once enough organic matter was 
>in the sand, a lens of water formed, and supported an oasis, a 
>Permaculture design that supports the people living on/in it. These 
>folks could only afford to buy desert land no one else would buy. 
>They got a Permaculture designer in, and, five years later, they had 
>the oasis, and food and water (rain harvest, as I recall). It's been 
>featured in a book or two. It would be beautiful anywhere, but in a 
>desert, it's stunning. 
> 
>Geoff Lawton's (Mollison's hand-picked successor) claim to fame is 
>turning a Jordan desert into date production. 
>See http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/11/greening-the-desert-ii-final/ 
> 
>These two designs are testaments to Permaculture's restorative power. 
> 
>But I failed utterly at building a Permaculture market garden (if 
>that's not an oxymoron) on caliche in Austin. My beds were not deep 
>enough to keep spinach taproots out of the caliche. Spinach does not 
>like caliche. 
> 
>Smiles. 
>Tommy 
> 
>On Jan 17, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Tradingpost wrote: 
> 
>> Just suggesting growing a forest garden on a dry, treeless plain is 
>> pointless. 
> 
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