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  • From: Arzeena Hamir <arzeenahamir@shaw.ca>
  • To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Permaculture - Farms for the Future
  • Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:19:06 -0800

Hmm... last time I checked, oil was made up of complex molecules of carbon whereas rock.... pretty much all mineral (ie no carbon).

I really don't want to get into a debate about this but could we agree that we're at the end of cheap oil? We may have loads of it all over the place but it's going to cost more and more to get it. All the easy- to-find oil has been tapped.

What do we have to risk by planning for peak oil BTW? A cleaner environment? Less reliance on oil? Ooh, what an awful thing!

Arzeena




On 14-Jan-10, at 4:05 PM, John Bischoff wrote:

At 11:59 AM 1/14/2010, you wrote:
I'd never really given much thought to Permaculture for farming - it
always seemed more suited to gardening.

Here's an excellent video from the UK that outlines the issues around
Peak Oil and gives examples of farms in the UK that are using
permaculture techniques to produce food without the reliance on fossil
fuels.

Any comments would be much appreciated.

http://www.viddler.com/explore/PermaScience/videos/4/

Arzeena
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Apologies to any who will become offended !!
.
"Peak Oil" is a hoax. Invented for the profit of Standard Oil and the
"Seven Sisters" it was broken up into.
Mankind has only tapped (not 'used' but 'tapped') maybe fifteen
percent of the available oil on the planet.
We are nearly swimming in oil and gas. There is no lack of oil.
Over near Thailand there is a 'gas flare' out in the South China Sea
that burns 24/7. The flame must be at least 800 feet tall and 100
feet across, you can see it clearly for at least sixty miles. They
burn it because it would cost too much to capture it and ship it and
sell it. If we really needed that fuel, do you think they would just
burn it to get rid of it? Calculate the height by line-of-sight and
the curvature of the Earth.
Oil did not come from dead dinosaurs or dead primeval forests.
Oil is formed from overheated rock at very high pressure, the planet
makes it, and there will always be some. Look it up.
Nobody seems to care about the oil seeps on Kodiak Island or the oil
fields yet to be discovered in that area.
Not to mention the deep oil fields west and south of Hawaii. Not to
mention the domestic un-tapped fields off both coasts and the east
half of the Gulf of Mexico and the right good-sized field under the
northern Rockies and the others here and there.
And China, Indonesia, Philippines, and Thailand are going to have a
fight, sooner or later, over the oil fields near the Spratley Islands
in the South China Sea.
.
Likewise . . .
.
Global warming may be occurring - it has before, and it will again -
but mankind's efforts are meaningless either way. Unless we have a
really good nuclear war, with thousands of bombs used, mankind will
strive mightily but have no discernible effect on planetary climate.
One volcano emits fifty or a hundred times as much carbon dioxide as
all mankind. Carbon Dioxide is less than 1/100th as effective as a
greenhouse gas than water vapor, and mankind is responsible for what,
maybe 5% of the carbon dioxide. And people think that mankind can
have a measurable effect on Earth's climate by emitting more carbon dioxide?
It's a hoax. We are being ripped off - again.
Hey, how about let's cover the oceans with plastic to keep the water
vapor from being such an important greenhouse gas.
We really do not yet comprehend how big Earth really is, and how
insignificant all our works really are. Go thru Google Earth and look
for signs of where people live - you can't even tell if people live
down there from more than about 20 miles up. That's one four
hundredth (1/400) of the Earth's diameter (about 8000 miles), about
equal to the thickness of a piece of cardboard from a cereal box as
related to a basketball. So we humans are proportionally about the
same as bacteria living on a basketball. Yet we think that we can
affect the whole basketball. Hooey!
If we had good sense we would realize that a couple degrees warmer
would be a GOOD THING and we could have vineyards on the shores of
Greenland again and bumper crops elsewhere with two or maybe even
three crops per year like we did when Eric the Red was sailing around
the North Atlantic and planting villages in Vineland (Nova Scotia)
where they raised grapes (thus the "Vineland").
.
Of course if you have a profit-making interest in either of those you
will disagree (Al Gore). If you don't, then do your research or just agree.
Best regards
John
Again, apologies for offending anyone.


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