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["marcia AT nc.rr.com" <marcia AT nc.rr.com>]

Hummmm, and what could I accomplish with a cookie, that I wouldn't be able
to accomplish without it?

I can try to rationalize with the client and get them to agree with using
cookies.  They said they wanted to avoid it like the plague, telling me
it’s not accurate, users delete them, or not allow them to begin with...
which is true. But if users want to sabotage your tracking system, they
will, no matter what.

Shea, the site does have a database. I'm using mySQL for now, with Flash
Remoting, and interfacing it all with ColdFusion.

Thanks again!


Original Message:
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From: Shea Tisdale shea AT sheatisdale.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:35:52 -0400
To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [internetworkers] how can I id a user?


I tend to agree with the sentiments expressed here about collecting
information from the users computer...not a "visitor friendly" thing to do.

However determining unique visitors is a whole other proposition...

Cookies should suffice for this purpose.  

The more complicated part is using a system on the back end to create unique
cookies and then track them over time...this would require a database of
some type...

There are also plenty of services that do this for you for very little cost.
Google "Track Unique Visitors" or "Website Tracking".

Many website log analysis and stats tools include the ability to use cookies
for this purpose.  See WebTrends and similar.


- Shea Tisdale
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:internetworkers-
> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of marcia AT nc.rr.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:23 PM
> To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] how can I id a user?
> 
> Craig,
> 
> That's the thing... I'm not sure what information I need, but I know what
> I
> want to accomplish.
> 
> I want to be able to know how many unique visitors a web page receives per
> day. If a person access that page 10 times a day, it should count as 1
> visitor. I know just the IP won't do the job, due to several different
> reasons. But, what can I pair with an IP address that will create this
> unique machine's identity?
> 
> Now, I understand that if a page a viewed 100 times, by 100 different
> visitors, but from a public machine, it will count as only 1 visit, since
> the IP address and every other hardware information will remain the same.
> But this scenario would not be very realistic in this project's case. And
> I
> can always add a hit count to the page.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Craig Duncan craigduncan AT entuend.com
> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:07:49 -0400
> To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] how can I id a user?
> 
> 
> marcia AT nc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> >Hello all,
> >
> >I want to gather some web visitor information, but I'd like to do so
> behind
> >the scenes.
> >
> >To do that, I can use either coldFusion, javaScript, or flash
> actionScript,
> >or a combination of all.  I know just the IP address won't be enough, so
> >what else can I get from the user without having to use cookies?
> >
> >Any way to get something from the BIOS, or registry like info, that would
> >work cross-platform?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Marcia
> >
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> Knowing what type information you are looking for would help define how
> to go about getting it. Just saying I want to grab data from someone
> computer is not very helpful. Care to elaborate?
> 
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