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["Tony Spencer" <tony AT tonyspencer.com>]

Yes.  I have it wrong.  According to Reuters its' 1.5 million over 10
months.  

Bush sucks!

T O N Y  S P E N C E R
Notsleepy LLC
6512 Six Forks Rd.
Suite 502-B 
Raleigh, NC 27615
Phone: 919.848.0691
Mobile: 415.637.6481
tony AT tonyspencer.com 

  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org 
> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf 
> Of Paul Cory
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:40 AM
> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] from the desk of Arianna Huffington
> 
> > DUDE!  That article is from December of last year!
> Which doesn't invalidate the general point that the actual 
> unemployment rate is higher than government reports.
> >
> > We've added 1 million jobs in the past 3 months!
> 
> Where did you get this figure? The latest total for the past 
> three months I could find was 671,000 jobs created in April, 
> May and June.
> 
> http://scoop.agonist.org/story/2004/7/2/62939/83242
> 
> (quoting a Reuters story)
> 
> We've added some 1.5 million jobs over the past ten months, 
> but that doesn't yet match the number of jobs lost since Bush 
> took office, which totals 2.2 million, according to a 
> February story in the Seattle Times.
> 
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/
> 2001854367_bushecon10.html
> 
> So, if job growth continues, we might actually be back to the 
> total number of jobs we had in 2001 by the time November 
> rolls around. But unless the work force shrank during the 
> past 4 years, the unemployment rate will still be higher than 
> it was when Bush was sworn in.
> 
> And one final point - the government is not releasing job 
> quality figures to go with these job creation figures. So 
> while new jobs are being created, it's essential to ask if 
> they are equal in pay and benefits to the jobs that were lost.
> 
> Paul
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > T O N Y  S P E N C E R
> > Notsleepy LLC
> > 6512 Six Forks Rd.
> > Suite 502-B
> > Raleigh, NC 27615
> > Phone: 919.848.0691
> > Mobile: 415.637.6481
> > tony AT tonyspencer.com
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On 
> Behalf Of Paul 
> >> Cory
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:04 AM
> >> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> >> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] from the desk of Arianna Huffington
> >>
> >> And here's an article discussing some of the holes in the way the 
> >> government analyzes the unemployment statistics:
> >>
> >> http://slate.msn.com/id/2094690/
> >>
> >> So, no, things aren't so rosy when you look at the numbers more 
> >> closely.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> On Jul 22, 2004, at 12:48 AM, Tony Spencer wrote:
> >>
> >>>> distorted by a) oversupply of labor ("jobless recovery") or
> >>>
> >>> Jobless recovery?  Nonsense.  We are at the lowest
> >> unemployement rate
> >>> in 4
> >>> years:
> >>> <http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?
> >>> pid=10000103&sid=aE_tiJ8kecXY&refer=us
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> T O N Y  S P E N C E R
> >>> Notsleepy LLC
> >>> 6512 Six Forks Rd.
> >>> Suite 502-B
> >>> Raleigh, NC 27615
> >>> Phone: 919.848.0691
> >>> Mobile: 415.637.6481
> >>> tony AT tonyspencer.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >>>> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of 
> >>>> Thomas
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:43 AM
> >>>> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> >>>> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] from the desk of Arianna 
> Huffington
> >>>>
> >>>> Tony Spencer wrote:
> >>>>> I'm hiring my first employees for my fledgling company as
> >>>> we speak.
> >>>>
> >>>> Congratulations, Tony!  That is a huge step.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Its
> >>>>> exciting for me to contribute to someone's salary and are
> >>>> my employees
> >>>>> are being screwed?  Absolutely not.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is the interesting thing about Capitalism.  Marx is correct 
> >>>> here, Tony is hiring someone because he can make more money from 
> >>>> their labor than he is paying them.  Extracting value.  
> But he is 
> >>>> paying a fair wage?  Ostensibly yes, according to the market.
> >>>> Question is, is the market wage distorted by a) oversupply
> >> of labor
> >>>> ("jobless recovery") or
> >>>> b) Tony's unfair bargaining power?  I can't answer the
> >> first, I think
> >>>> the answer to the second is negative.  This is why small
> >> business is
> >>>> the foundation of our economy.
> >>>>
> >>>> OTOH, does Wal-mart pay its "associates" a fair wage?  
> Let's see, 
> >>>> Wal-Mart employs more people than the population of some 
> sovereign 
> >>>> nations or U.S. states.  But only one Wal-mart store has a
> >> collective
> >>>> bargaining agreement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh wait, I said I'd go to bed.
> >>>>
> >>>> TaB
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