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["Tony Spencer" <tony AT tonyspencer.com>]

Jeez.  I can't believe people still defend Marxism.  

Idealism at its worst!

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> Of Ian Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:55 PM
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> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] from the desk of Arianna Huffington
> 
> Communism in the USSR was *based* on Socialism, but thats 
> where any similarities end.
> 
> Marx was rolling in his grave when he saw his principles 
> adulterated in that way.
> 
> ~ian
> 
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> ~ian
> 
> 
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:55:52 -0400, Phillip Rhodes 
> <mindcrime AT cpphacker.co.uk> wrote:
> > Alan MacHett wrote:
> > 
> > > To be honest, I'm dumbfounded.  Until reading your 
> emails, I would 
> > > NEVER have associated 'Republican' or 'Free Market' with 
> management 
> > > having lower salaries than employees or with 
> redistributing profit 
> > > back to the community.  Well, I STILL don't associate 
> those things; 
> > > I think you've mislabeled yourself.
> > 
> > Why not? Capitalism and Free Market aren't about individuals not 
> > giving back to the community, etc.  "Socialism" (at least as it's 
> > commonly
> > understood) is about government based charity.  One of the reasons 
> > that Libertarians maintain that government charity is not 
> needed, is 
> > the belief that in the absence of it, private charity would 
> take it's place.
> > 
> > The relative greed and self-centeredness of individuals is really a 
> > completely separate issue from whether  you live in a socialist or 
> > capitalistic society.  In Soviet Russia during the height 
> of Communism 
> > (the ultimate form of Socialism?) where there not individuals who 
> > managed to accumulate great wealth while others went hungry?
> > 
> > Capitalism and "Free Market" economics do not *necessarily* equal a 
> > selfish, "me first" attitude on the part of everyone 
> involved. Those 
> > attitudes transcend political and economic affiliations, IMHO.
> > 
> > TTYL,
> > 
> > Phil
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> > 
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> > 
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