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["Tony Spencer" <tony AT tonyspencer.com>]

Right on.  So Paul, in the mix, which is more preferred in your mind?
Capitalism or Socialism?

T O N Y  S P E N C E R
Notsleepy LLC
6512 Six Forks Rd.
Suite 502-B 
Raleigh, NC 27615
Phone: 919.848.0691
Mobile: 415.637.6481
tony AT tonyspencer.com 

  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org 
> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf 
> Of Paul Cory
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:45 AM
> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] from the desk of Arianna Huffington
> 
> >
> > What?!  You are crazy.  My premise is simple.  Name me one 
> nation that 
> > has a greater percentage of its population living better 
> than the US.
> Several folks have already proffered examples of such nations.
> >
> > After your rant you conclude "your second premise, that America is a
> > capitalist economy, is not true."
> > So we are a socialistic economy?  I'd better close shop 
> tomorrow.  :o
> 
> No, I said we are mixed economy. There is a land between pure 
> socialism 
> and pure capitalism, and you're living in it.
> 
> And that was not a rant, at least not as I understand the term. :-)
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > T O N Y  S P E N C E R
> > Notsleepy LLC
> > 6512 Six Forks Rd.
> > Suite 502-B
> > Raleigh, NC 27615
> > Phone: 919.848.0691
> > Mobile: 415.637.6481
> > tony AT tonyspencer.com
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
> >> Of Paul Cory
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:23 AM
> >> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> >> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] from the desk of Arianna Huffington
> >>
> >>
> >>> My argument is not at all flawed.  I very simply state that
> >> we are a
> >>> capitalistic society and we have a greater percentage of
> >> our society
> >>> living outside of the realm of poverty.
> >>
> >> Not exactly. You stated that in an attempt to discredit the
> >> statement that "Capitalism, by it's very nature, concentrates
> >> wealth and power into the hands of a very few, and those few
> >> are loathe to give it up."
> >>
> >> Your argument then, was:
> >>
> >> America has a great percentage of its population living
> >> comfortably; America is capitalist economy; Therefore,
> >> capitalism does not naturally  concentrate wealth and power
> >> into the hands of the few.
> >>
> >> And, in reply, I pointed out we don't live in a purely
> >> capitalistic economy. Our society, through government,
> >> actively works to ameliorate capitalism's tendency to
> >> concentrate wealth and power. This produces a mixed economy.
> >>
> >> Thus, you cannot use America's general prosperity to undercut
> >> the statement that capitalism concentrates wealth and power
> >> because your second premise, that America is a capitalist
> >> economy, is not true.
> >>
> >> Which brings me back to: your argument is flawed.
> >>
> >> Unless, of course, you meant to imply a different argument. :-)
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> T O N Y  S P E N C E R
> >>> Notsleepy LLC
> >>> 6512 Six Forks Rd.
> >>> Suite 502-B
> >>> Raleigh, NC 27615
> >>> Phone: 919.848.0691
> >>> Mobile: 415.637.6481
> >>> tony AT tonyspencer.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >>>> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Paul
> >>>> Cory
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:52 AM
> >>>> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> >>>> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] from the desk of Arianna 
> Huffington
> >>>>
> >>>>>> "Capitalism, by it's very nature, concentrates wealth and
> >>>> power into
> >>>>>> the hands of a very few, and those few are loathe to 
> give it up."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I'm dumbfounded by this statement.  Name one nation in this
> >>>> world that
> >>>>> has a greater percentage of its population >living< more
> >>>> comfortably
> >>>>> than American's do.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your argument is flawed, because America doesn't practice "pure"
> >>>> capitalism. In this country, capitalism's tendency to concentrate
> >>>> wealth and power has been reigned in by government action:
> >> labor laws
> >>>> (minimum wage, overtime pay, collective bargaining
> >> rights), antitrust
> >>>> laws, regulation of monopolies (such as power companies), estate
> >>>> taxes, and a progressive tax code that, combined with a welfare
> >>>> system for the poor and elderly, redistributes wealth from
> >> the rich
> >>>> to the less fortunate.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please also note that over the past 24 years, as the
> >> Republicans have
> >>>> gained ascendancy, they have greatly weakened government
> >> efforts in
> >>>> all the above areas.
> >>>> Predictably, over the same period of time, wealth in this
> >> country has
> >>>> become more greatly concentrated.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
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