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[Steven Champeon <schampeo AT hesketh.com>]

on Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 10:38:47AM -0500, Sil Greene wrote:
> 
> Reported 04.03.20 10:10 from Steven Champeon:
> .:SPEWS doesn't list 63.220.32.0-63.220.38.255 anymore. It's clear from
> .:this guy's rant that he doesn't understand the difference between Level
> .:1 and Level 2 SPEWS listings, in any case. Again, stupidity seems
> .:praiseworthy when the stupid say things you agree with, I suppose, and
> .:damning otherwise.
> 
> But zealots (*cough*) have this tendency to keep spouting the technical 
> merits of their personal software cause, loudly, long after no one's 
> listening.  This is no less stupid, and probably just as damning.

Sil, if you're going to attack me, you can at least read my posts.
 
> Now, if you'd care to explain this difference to us, or what it means to 
> you, or how you use it, I might find something interesting in the 
> mechanism and actually read it.  But you're not even giving us a 
> two-sentence executive summary, just this venom and geek elitism.

Quoted from my previous post:

> That said, I've had bad experiences with the level 2 listings, which once
> included one of our clients, so I don't use them at the ipchains level.
>
>  http://www.spews.org/faq.html (see Q21-22)

But I'll include the text so those who don't (or can't) follow URLs when
included in a post can play along at home:

Q21: Why does SPEWS have two levels of listings? What is Level 1?

A21: SPEWS publishes two lists. The majority of the Level 1 list is made
up of netblocks owned by the spammers or spam support operations
themselves, with few or no other legitimate customers detected. We don't
even try and educate these types as any past attempts at education have
failed. If a known spammer buys a new netblock but hasn't started
spamming from it yet, it is still eligible to be listed here. If used,
this list should have close to zero inadvertent blocking.

Q22: What is Level 2?

A22: This includes all of Level 1, plus anyone who is spam-friendly,
supporting spammers, or highly suspicious, but not blatant enough to be
included in the Level 1 list yet. If it becomes obvious that someone at
Level 2 has become a real problem, they will be escalated to Level 1
after some attempt at education. The Level 2 list will have some
inadvertent blocking (non-spammer IP addresses listed), but can still be
used by small ISPs or individuals who want a stricter level of
blocking/filtering. By having a two tiered list, you can make the
hardcore spamfighters happy; those who want to block first and ask
questions later. Also, a listing in the Level 2 list may exert a bit of
pressure on spam friendly sites and may keep them from turning totally
bad - but that is not really the point, stopping spam is. (note: a Level
value of "0" means that area is not listed)

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