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["Rebecca O'Connell" <rloconne AT unity.ncsu.edu>]

On 3/5/04 2:43 PM, "David R.Matusiak" <dave AT matusiak.org> wrote:

> On Mar 5, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Tony Spencer wrote:
> 
>> ok, i get what you are saying.  don't agree.
> 
> the only thing i can extrapolate from this is that you are the type of
> person who wants things to remain exactly as they are.  i.e. "things
> are fine right now, it ain't broke, so don't go a fixin' it."

It isn't about keeping things exactly the way they are, it's about not
repeating history unless you *want* to repeat it.  World War II was the last
war of that large a scale that we were involved in and saying it is useless
to look at how we handled it is like saying that you can't learn anything
from experience. If that were true, we'd be babies our entire lives. It
doesn't mean we have to endorse everything that was done, but we do have to
recognize that it happened, especially since the events of WWII had such a
direct effect on the current world order.

> 
>> i'm not referencing an example such as helms voting against civil
>> rights.  its perfectly logical to compare the two campaigns.
> 
> so, if a candidate had their competition "eliminated" sometime in the
> past 100 years, it would be "okay" for one to do it present day?

No, but the background information helps us to understand *why* people are
whacking their competition. You could look at that information and ask
"Well, what made this person think he could get away with this? Could he
still (presuming he did)? If he could, shouldn't we maybe do something about
that before someone does whack another candidate?"
> 
>> the real question is whether or not you thought it was wrong of FDR.
> 
> i don't know FDR.  i've never worked with FDR.  i never even voted for
> FDR.  but i can tell you without question, George W. Bush is no FDR.
> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David R. Matusiak
>>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:25 PM
>>> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
>>> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] fury over WTC ads
>>> 
>>> my point is that the world was an enormously different place
>>> way back when.  i'm sure we could spend all week drudging up
>>> stuff from by-gone eras to attempt to "support" our points,
>>> but for the most part it is all useless.
>>> 
>>> it is the past.  let it go.  we are expected to be a much
>>> more sophisticated group of individuals these days (like it
>>> or not) and trying to win arguments with "Well, this is how
>>> Jesus did it."  or "This is how FDR did it."  holds no water.
>>> 
>>> that bucket is broke.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 5, 2004, at 2:14 PM, Tony Spencer wrote:
>>> 
>>>> what?  i don't get your point.
>>>> this campaign button is precisely the same as the bush ads.
>>>> is this button heinous, disgusting, trampling of victims for
>>>> political
>>>> gain?
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: David R.Matusiak
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:12 PM
>>>>> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
>>>>> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] fury over WTC ads
>>>>> 
>>>>> so, are we back to 1940?  should we take away voting rights from
>>>>> Blacks and women now?  is regression the best possible path from
>>>>> here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> progress happens.  either learn to adapt or get crushed in its path.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 5, 2004, at 2:00 PM, Tony Spencer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> it's an interesting focus.  blocking official investigations into
>>>>>>> what the upper levels of the administration knew (or didn't know)
>>>>>>> prior to the attacks?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I feel pretty confident the Roosevelt administration would have
>>>>>> blocked what was known about Japan two and half years after Pearl
>>>>>> Harbor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Speaking of FDR.  Is this heinous?  Is this cheap political gain?
>>>>>> <http://wwiimuseum.com/images/TourPictures/08a_Roosevelt-
>>>>>> plaque_lge.jpg>
> 
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