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["K. Jo Garner" <kelly AT metalab.unc.edu>]

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Shea Tisdale wrote:
->How do you know the Ba'athists are uniformly horrible people?  That's a
->pretty broad brush you're painting with there.  "Ought to be executed to the
->last?"  And we wonder why they want to kill us...

finish reading the sentence ... "but even if that were fact"

cheers
KJ

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->----- Original Message ----- 
->From: "Joey Carr" <joey AT metalab.unc.edu>
->To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
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->Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:59 PM
->Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Iraq costs are skyrocketing
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->> First of all, no doubt the Ba'athists are uniformly horrible people, ought
->> to be executed to the last, but even if that were fact it would not excuse
->> an unjust war.
->>
->> I wanted to admonish you to check you figures about how many Iraqi
->> casualties occured... certainly there were more than a couple thousand,
->> they were dying three hundred to an "engagement".
->>
->> But, perhaps not suprizingly, there's almost no reliable information
->> available on the subject.
->>
->> Here's the most reputable source I could find quickly:
->>
->> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/World/iraq030528_casualties.html
->>
->> This source lists:
->> 620 civilian deaths in Baghdad, 256 in Najaf, 425 in Karbala and as many
->> as 1,100 in Nasiriyah
->>
->> Anyone find a better count?  Now, that's just a couple thousand civilian
->> deaths; as everybody knows, once you don a uniform you're no longer human
->> and not worthy of anyone's sypathies.
->>
->> -Joey
->>
->>
->> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Steven Champeon wrote:
->>
->> > on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 03:22:41PM -0400, trekkie AT spamcop.net wrote:
->> > > Quoting "David R.Matusiak" <dave AT matusiak.org>:
->> > >
->> > > > and now we are looking at footing the bill for a trillion dollar
->> > > > Economic Stimulus package to the country we just destroyed.  please
->> > > > tell me there is some freaking Leprechaun and Gold at the end of
->this
->> > > > Black Rainbow.
->> > >
->> > > This is the problem I had with the war. We *have* to rebuild Iraq now
->> > > that we destroyed it no matter who is in office.
->> >
->> > We destroyed Iraq? That's news to me. I thought it was the Ba'ath Party
->> > and thirty years of despotic rule that destroyed Iraq. Sure, there were
->> > the UN-imposed sanctions after the first time Hussein tried to invade
->> > Kuwait (and lost at great cost), and the millions dead after he tried to
->> > invade Iran (and lost at far greater cost), but come on - the recent
->> > unpleasantness killed what, a couple of thousand people? And the
->> > infrastructure destroyed since the war far outweighs the damage done by
->> > coalition troops. Or are you talking about the government?
->> >
->> > I agree we need to follow through and help the Iraqi moderates build a
->> > stable government, and one way to keep the hardliners out of power is to
->> > make everyone else reasonably happy and prosperous. But we didn't
->> > destroy Iraq, the country. They did that quite handily on their own.
->> >
->> > Steve
->> >
->> >
->>
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