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["Shea Tisdale" <shea AT sheatisdale.com>]

Since we are nitpicking information.

How do you know the Ba'athists are uniformly horrible people?  That's a
pretty broad brush you're painting with there.  "Ought to be executed to the
last?"  And we wonder why they want to kill us...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joey Carr" <joey AT metalab.unc.edu>
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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Iraq costs are skyrocketing


> First of all, no doubt the Ba'athists are uniformly horrible people, ought
> to be executed to the last, but even if that were fact it would not excuse
> an unjust war.
>
> I wanted to admonish you to check you figures about how many Iraqi
> casualties occured... certainly there were more than a couple thousand,
> they were dying three hundred to an "engagement".
>
> But, perhaps not suprizingly, there's almost no reliable information
> available on the subject.
>
> Here's the most reputable source I could find quickly:
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/World/iraq030528_casualties.html
>
> This source lists:
> 620 civilian deaths in Baghdad, 256 in Najaf, 425 in Karbala and as many
> as 1,100 in Nasiriyah
>
> Anyone find a better count?  Now, that's just a couple thousand civilian
> deaths; as everybody knows, once you don a uniform you're no longer human
> and not worthy of anyone's sypathies.
>
> -Joey
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Steven Champeon wrote:
>
> > on Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 03:22:41PM -0400, trekkie AT spamcop.net wrote:
> > > Quoting "David R.Matusiak" <dave AT matusiak.org>:
> > >
> > > > and now we are looking at footing the bill for a trillion dollar
> > > > Economic Stimulus package to the country we just destroyed.  please
> > > > tell me there is some freaking Leprechaun and Gold at the end of
this
> > > > Black Rainbow.
> > >
> > > This is the problem I had with the war. We *have* to rebuild Iraq now
> > > that we destroyed it no matter who is in office.
> >
> > We destroyed Iraq? That's news to me. I thought it was the Ba'ath Party
> > and thirty years of despotic rule that destroyed Iraq. Sure, there were
> > the UN-imposed sanctions after the first time Hussein tried to invade
> > Kuwait (and lost at great cost), and the millions dead after he tried to
> > invade Iran (and lost at far greater cost), but come on - the recent
> > unpleasantness killed what, a couple of thousand people? And the
> > infrastructure destroyed since the war far outweighs the damage done by
> > coalition troops. Or are you talking about the government?
> >
> > I agree we need to follow through and help the Iraqi moderates build a
> > stable government, and one way to keep the hardliners out of power is to
> > make everyone else reasonably happy and prosperous. But we didn't
> > destroy Iraq, the country. They did that quite handily on their own.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
>
> -- 
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> for girls, the situation is not as symmetrical as it might seem.
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