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  • From: Andrew Phillips <aphillips AT buildscape.com>
  • To: InterNetWorkers <internetworkers AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu>
  • Subject: RE: Blogs
  • Date: 22 Apr 2002 17:06:58 -0400


Does it really matter? Come on.. its a place to rant about your views on
life, and anything else. Does it matter what you call it? This sounds
like rants on mailing lists about which programming language is better
yadda yadda, or who's l33t3r then j00.

Yeah, call me a Troll, whatever.
move along... nothing to see here.

-Andrew

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Andrew Phillips
Applications Developer
aphillips AT buildscape.com
(919) 484-9843 x 246
http://www.buildscape.com

On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 16:56, Steven Champeon wrote:
> on Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:25:49PM -0400, Jeri C. Gloege wrote:
> > Okay when did we start erroneously calling online journals "blogs"?? A
> > blog is simply a list of links folks. Dare I refer you to
> > http://www.spoonfed.net/blogs.html who rants about the misused verbiage
> > of late much better than I???
>
> Dare you? Obviously. But I'm not sure what the point was, exactly. Scott
> tends to rant a bit, and I admire his style, but I'm never sure exactly
> what he's saying. It seems he's "upset". Or maybe just depressed. And to
> say that a definition of "blog" is "simple" is pretty silly.
>
> Rebecca Blood has a much more intelligent take on the history of the blog:
>
> http://www.rebeccablood.net/essays/weblog_history.html
>
> Maybe I'm biased - I know and like Rebecca, and have had the good
> fortune to know many of the people involved in the early history of
> the form, going back to Justin Hall's Links from Underground and
> Michael Sippey's Filtered for Purity, through Peter Merholz, Brig
> Eaton, Meg and Ev and PB and Jack and Matt Haughey at Blogger, Jesse
> James Garret, Cameron Barrett, Jason Kottke, Gael Cooper, Jessamyn
> West, Jeffrey Zeldman, Dave Winer and others.
>
> You may want to distinguish between "weblog" in the pure form, which
> is the term coined by Jorn Barger in 1997, and "blog", which is the
> looser term, and what all the fuss is about (and which likely dates
> back to Peterme's coinage of "wee-blog", which I thought was silly,
> and which was soon shortened to "blog").
>
> I've used guestbooks in blog-like ways going back to 1994 or so, and
> more recently Blogger and Moveable Type and so forth, and still have a
> blog, of sorts, though I made a conscious decision to make it more of
> a diary and ranting ground than a high-profile news filter or
> discussion board.
>
> Despite early vocal opposition to blogs, notably at SxSW 2000 during a
> panel on weblogs, I've revised my opinion of them. I still think the
> urge to post something to a blog rather than to a relevant mailing
> list (whether out of some self-serving ego need, or simply as an
> attempt to maximize the reach of your voice) has a negative effect on
> the quality of list communities. I've seen vibrant lists wither while
> blogs flourish, and have seen lists revive as their members lose
> interest in their "personal brand" or as they realize that fame is in
> one sense simply trading a few good friends with whom you can talk for
> a few thousand who simply watch you and your activities. Or, simply as
> they manage to integrate their blogging activity into their overall
> pattern of online output and behavior.
>
> I'm interested in the evolution of the Web as a medium, and whether
> you like it or not, blogs have had a lot more impact on the way
> people speak, listen, and interact online than anything since email.
>
> > Blogs are not going to change the face of anything.
>
> They already have. That's why you're ranting about it, after all.
>
> > Thanks to Blogger, BlogSpot and every other build-your-own-webspot-in-
> > thirty-seconds tool, anyone with something they want to say, can.
>
> No, this has always been the case. Now, they can say it online, in a
> visually rich format, without worrying about the underlying markup or
> styles. That is changing the face of the Internet, and it may have an
> effect on a society that is learning, after fifty years of consumption
> of media, that they can be producers as well.
>
> > If you want a Blog, go to Memepool (www.memepool.com) or Mefi
> > (www.metafilter.com).
>
> That's ridiculous. I know Matt Haughey doesn't refer to MeFi as a "blog".
> It's a community site. And memepool is a filter, not a blog.
>
> > If you happen to enjoy blogging then do so. Just don't call the synopsis
> > of your day that cause then you are misusing the term. And let's face
> > it,
> > if something is going to change anything, can't we at least get the words
> > right here folks??
>
> I strongly agree - perhaps we can start by using the word "blog" properly.
>
> http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci213547,00.html
>
> 1) A Weblog (which is sometimes written as "web log" or "weblog") is
> a Web site of personal or non-commercial origin that uses a dated
> log format that is updated on a daily or very frequent basis with
> new information about a particular subject or range of subjects.
> The information can be written by the site owner, gleaned from
> other Web sites or other sources, or contributed by users.
>
> A Web log often has the quality of being a kind of "log of our
> times" from a particular point-of-view. Generally, Weblogs are
> devoted to one or several subjects or themes, usually of topical
> interest, and, in general, can be thought of as developing
> commentaries, individual or collective on their particular
> themes. A Weblog may consist of the recorded ideas of an
> individual (a sort of diary) or be a complex collaboration open
> to anyone. Most of the latter are moderated discussions.
>
> Since there are a number of variations on this idea and new
> variations can easily be invented, the meaning of this term is
> apt to gather additional connotations with time.
>
> [...]
>
> Hey, language evolves! Amazing.
>




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