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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Hey, if you come across anything about that Norweign village that was located 
under glacier ice, let me know....

As I was skimming thru that UN proposal on Climate Change Treaty, I kept 
seeing references to 3rd world countries, especially those that have low 
lying coastal areas and islands, receiving monetary aid from the developed 
countries.  This implied to me that they think they are going to lose coastal 
areas and be buried under water.

Of course, the first thing that popped to mind was.... an ice cube tray.  I 
don't know about everyone else's ice cube trays, but when I fill mine right 
smack to the top, when it turns to ice the ice is higher than the water 
was........ leading me to conclude that water expands when frozen, and 
contracts when melting.  Is this somehow different in the ocean?  If not, 
then it is yet another scam being perpetrated on US taxpayers..........


 


In a message dated 10/22/2009 12:32:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mmcharry AT gmail.com writes:

On Sun,  Oct 18, 2009 at 7:18 PM,  <DSanner106 AT aol.com> wrote:
>  exactly. this is the same sort of weather changes during the normal 30  
year
>  climate swings we have recorded going back eons. I just  don't see the
> whole  human caused global warming in  this.

Uh, what about the loss of Arctic ice? When was the last time  that the
Northwest Passage was navigable?
The fact that the melting ice has released several trapped ships from the  
late 1800- early 1900' s tells me it was not very long ago at all. We also 
know  sea levels are more than 2 feet lower than measurements taken in 1841 
on the  Isle of wight, that markings from 1841 are still in place and 
obvious. 



And then there's all that ice dropping into the sea in  Antarctica.

uhh, it's not. Sorry, but the temps are growing colder, both air and water  
in Antarctica, the overall ice shelf is growing with the exception of one 
tiny  berg on the northern tip. (wilkens) All this ice sheet shrink data was 
ruled  false by the British scientific community. It was one of nine points 
outlined as  patently false in Gore's movie and lead to a required label as 
such before  showing the film in Great Britain. It could not be shown as a 
documentary, but  as fiction, with the 9 points specifically listed in a 
warning before the  showing. 

_http://www.ecoworld.com/climate/the-real-facts-on-increasing-antarctic-ice.
html_ 
(http://www.ecoworld.com/climate/the-real-facts-on-increasing-antarctic-ice.html)
 



That's not part of any normal 30 year cycle. Neither is the  increased
concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Actually, the CO2 levels have been much higher many times, and caused by  
nature, not man, but more importantly, Scientific American climate expert 
David  Fogarty has written that new studies are showing that CO2 is not 
nearly 
the big  culprit for global warming it has been set up as. the CO2 levels 
varied widely  long before man was on the planet, and are not necessarily the 
cause, but maybe  a byproduct of the conditions causing global warming. He 
cited solar cycles and  many other things that are now being considered.

Drew



Marie
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Exactly Rob,
      My father was a research chemist and one of  the things he told me
when I asked questions about my science classes was not to take what
they were saying as gospel. He said science is generally a series of
If-Then statements combined to reach a conclusion. Often they found  they
were wrong when science advanced enough to answer a few of the  If-Then's.
In medicine, what they originally thought were diseases actually turned  out
to be symptoms of problems they were never aware of. If you listen to them
though, they will tell you with complete confidence that you need leeches
or one of many other incorrect measures.

My big problem with the whole global warming debate is that it's biggest
spokesman, like Gore and other politicos have absolutely no background  in
science to make good guesses or understand the guesswork of the real
"experts". There are 10s of thousands of scientists weighing in on this and
they are split widely on whether this is real or not, and if it is whether
man
plays any role in causing or preventing it. Gore flunked science classes  in
college and now we are not allowed to challenge him on his suppositions, as
the reporter in Great Britain did this week. He was quickly stifled and
Gore
didn't answer a thing, just made fun of the guy. Politicians are forming
our
healthcare system with no knowledge of health care, we have tax cheats
running
our tax system. The guys who oversaw Fannie and Freddie are still  doing so
and
are on our budget committees. Knowledge is apparently overrated.

Drew


In a message dated 10/22/2009 11:05:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
waltonrp AT gmail.com writes:

The  global warming thread makes me think of something that's been on
my mind  lately. That is that scientists talk of their theories as if
they were  fact. It's annoying, and I think that sceintists should
learn from the  mistakes of their past. (The earth is not flat.)

I saw a program on the  latest find of a prehistoric human like fossil
in Ethiopia. Evolution of  man following the theory that they presented
was presented as a fact. Same  with doctors. They have very limited
understanding of how the human body  works, but they present their
theories as fact. Anyone for a  bleeding?

I'm not supporting any one mode of thought, I even think that  it's
good for our leaders to be advised by scientists. Understanding  that
science deals in theory and hypothesis is most important.

Rob -  Va

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