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  • From: "Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>
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  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Global Warming?
  • Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:52:57 -0800

Yes and no. The ice cube doesn't work. An ice cube is made in a space and has no effect on anything around it when it melts.

If you want to get the effect of melting ice and the ocen, you can do one of the science thingys that I've had the kidlets do. You'll need a 4 cup glass measuring cup and a metal or plastic drinking glass and a snow cone maker. Shave ice and pack it in your drinking glass and then put it in the freezer over night. Next morning, run hot water on the glass just long enough to get it the ice to slide out. then put 3 cups of water in your measuring cup and add your tall ice cube. About half the cup of shaved ice should be floating above the water. Use a white board marker to mark where your water is. Then let it sit until it melts. You'll find that your water level rises.

As mentioned by someone else, global warming doesn't really cover what is happening. Yes, some of the change is the result of normal cycles. However, while people are busy adding to the CO2, the resulting warming in the Arctic regions causing more CO2 to be added to the atmosphere. When you create swamps and bogs, they in turn create more CO2. There are also fun things that the average sheople doesn't understand. When you create a melt and warm effect, you actually create, in some areas, accelerated evaporation and lakes and streams dry up.

Anyone remember when it was a real in thing to create these massively complicated domino chain things. Well, climate change is one of those big massive domino effect chains. Humans are domino #1 and once they started knocking down the rest of the dominos, the other dominos knock over those that branch off from them.

So, for rising water levels, you might want to look up Lohachara Island, the Sundarbans, Kiribati, Tegua, Tarawa, Micronesia, Tuvalu, Tonga, Ontong Java, the Marshall Islands.

And, they say a picture is worth a thousand words. Here's some pictures of rising water, the effects of melting permafrost, etc.
http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/rising-seas.html
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1176/525529653_5574cd2702.jpg
http://www.citypaper.com/sb/117947/TaylorsIslandErosion2.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/3035084692_1b20b50521.jpg
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2009-02/big-thaw-0
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/detect/detection-images/land-permafrost-romanovsky_fig6.jpg
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/detect/detection-images/land-permafrost-romanovsky_fig5.jpg
http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/GRD/GPS/Projects/CB/SUBSIDENCE/subsidence.gif
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2216178780052197924NkinAs

And, I can see it myself when we head back to the coast every couple of months. The Bay Street dunes no longer exist and about 60 feet of beach is gone. I played on those dunes when I was a kid. My kids played on them a mere 7 years ago. The road out to the North Jetty has rocks to keep the water from undermining it. The cove is now up to the road. You can go up and down the coast of CA and see the rise in the water line.

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a weapon, a con. A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when it suits them." Dallas
----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


snip<
As I was skimming thru that UN proposal on Climate Change Treaty, I kept seeing references to 3rd world countries, especially those that have low lying coastal areas and islands, receiving monetary aid from the developed countries. This implied to me that they think they are going to lose coastal areas and be buried under water.

Of course, the first thing that popped to mind was.... an ice cube tray. I don't know about everyone else's ice cube trays, but when I fill mine right smack to the top, when it turns to ice the ice is higher than the water was........ leading me to conclude that water expands when frozen, and contracts when melting. Is this somehow different in the ocean? If not, then it is yet another scam being perpetrated on US taxpayers..........





In a message dated 10/22/2009 12:32:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mmcharry AT gmail.com writes:

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:18 PM, <DSanner106 AT aol.com> wrote:
exactly. this is the same sort of weather changes during the normal 30
year
climate swings we have recorded going back eons. I just don't see the
whole human caused global warming in this.

Uh, what about the loss of Arctic ice? When was the last time that the
Northwest Passage was navigable?
The fact that the melting ice has released several trapped ships from the
late 1800- early 1900' s tells me it was not very long ago at all. We also
know sea levels are more than 2 feet lower than measurements taken in 1841
on the Isle of wight, that markings from 1841 are still in place and
obvious.



And then there's all that ice dropping into the sea in Antarctica.

uhh, it's not. Sorry, but the temps are growing colder, both air and water
in Antarctica, the overall ice shelf is growing with the exception of one
tiny berg on the northern tip. (wilkens) All this ice sheet shrink data was
ruled false by the British scientific community. It was one of nine points
outlined as patently false in Gore's movie and lead to a required label as
such before showing the film in Great Britain. It could not be shown as a
documentary, but as fiction, with the 9 points specifically listed in a
warning before the showing.

_http://www.ecoworld.com/climate/the-real-facts-on-increasing-antarctic-ice.
html_
(http://www.ecoworld.com/climate/the-real-facts-on-increasing-antarctic-ice.html)



That's not part of any normal 30 year cycle. Neither is the increased
concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Actually, the CO2 levels have been much higher many times, and caused by
nature, not man, but more importantly, Scientific American climate expert
David Fogarty has written that new studies are showing that CO2 is not nearly
the big culprit for global warming it has been set up as. the CO2 levels
varied widely long before man was on the planet, and are not necessarily the
cause, but maybe a byproduct of the conditions causing global warming. He
cited solar cycles and many other things that are now being considered.

Drew



Marie
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