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--- On Fri, 2/13/09, rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:

> From: rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] So what do we do?
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 3:15 PM
> Thanks, Lynda
> 
> What is your source for the numbers
> 
> Ray, being a bit lazy, not wanting to look for myself...
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 2:46 pm
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] So what do we do?
> 
> 
> 
> The amount of mercury in a CFL is minimal at best.  The
> amount of mercury 
> coming from the coal fired electric generating plant
> accounts for over 40% 
> of the mercury that gets into the air worldwide.  And the
> U.S. alone 
> produces 104 metric tons of mercury emissions each year
> with the vast 
> majority of that coming from coal-fired electric plants.
> 
> That coal fired plant produces 13.6 milligrams of mercury
> to make the 
> incadescent bulb light up over 8,000 hours of use.  (well,
> if you can get 
> one to last that long but we'll go with that so we can
> compare it to totals 
> for the CRLs which routinely last 8,000 hours <g>)
> 
> Now the "old" CFLs had about 3 milligrams of
> mercury in them.  The new 
> generation have, on average, less than 2 milligrams with
> some having as 
> little as 1.4 milligrams.
> 
> The CFL's mercury that "might" end up in
> landfill (if you are one of the 
> folks who doesn't have a recycling place for
> your's), will be approx. .6 mg. 
> Add to that the 1.2 mg that it will take to light the CRL
> for those 8,000 
> hours, and you have a net savings of 11.6 mg of mercury.
> 
> Lynda
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> 
> > Hi, Gene,
> >
> > Just curious. What do we do with all of the mercury
> toxins in all of these 
> > flourescent light bulbs people are getting. And mind
> you, I have replaced 
> > almost all of the incandescent bulbs in my house with
> these, because they 
> > last longer, and are cheaper to run. I bought my first
> one when I was 
> > living in Colorado (which is when I first joined this
> list, by the way).? 
> > It's been 8 years now. This year, I finally had to
> replace one (actually, 
> > a few). I have been lugging them around with me for
> many years now, as we 
> > have moved from place to place. I figure I am ahead
> money wise.
> >
> > However, aside from power use, the incandescent bulbs
> are less harmful to 
> > the environment. How do Greens reconcile this, without
> using sophistry. Or 
> > do we just acknowledge the inherent hypocrisy.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gene GeRue <genegerue@ruralize.
> com>
> > To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:06 am
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] So what do we do?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Marie McHarry wrote:
> >
> >> Mother Jones had this article on the coming
> changes in weather:
> >>
> http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2008/11/diet-warm-planet
> >> . . . . I think we can probably quit worrying
> about terrorism, etc.
> >> When the
> >> ecosystem shafts us, we're in deep doodoo.
> Have any of you given this
> >> consideration? In practical terms, I mean.
> >
> > Want to rate worries? Seems to me the bigger issue is
> falling oxygen
> > levels. Do you like to breathe?
> >
> > I've looked for maps to instruct readers on
> projected climate change.
> > Not much found that is very useful except in general
> terms: in drought
> > areas there will be more droughts; in rainy areas
> there will be more
> > rain; in violent wind areas, more of that. As for
> rising temperatures
> > I am all for it; I would love to grow citrus at
> Heartwood.
> >
> > Reduced individual energy usage will come due to the
> pain of rising
> > prices but increasing population may negate that gain.
> As with many
> > issues, there are viable community responses. My
> electric co-op has
> > the right idea. We get our electricity through a
> consortium of
> > utilities that own coal-fired generating facilities.
> Last year we had
> > a light bulb swap: for every incandescent bulb turned
> in, members
> > received a new CFL unit. The board found that reduced
> load means lower
> > overhead today and less cost in the future by
> eliminating the need for
> > new generator capacity. It's a win-win plan that
> means less coal will
> > be burned. The calculations to sell members on the
> plan may be found at:
> >
> http://www.serviceconcepts.coop/coopcustom/cflpaybackhowell-oregon.htm
> >
> > Besides the present economic focus, most Americans are
> too conditioned
> > by consumptive lifestyles and day-to-day issues to
> take global warming
> > seriously. Most of us do what makes us feel good, as
> with recycling
> > and reusing and wearing stuff out. Lifestyle change
> will be resisted.
> 
> > We homesteaders live sensibly but will always be a
> tiny minority.
> >
> > Expect change. Be prepared. Become ever more
> independent.
> >
> > Gene GeRue
> > www.RUR
> > ALIZE.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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