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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

I pretty much agree with everything you just wrote.  And, in the past, I have 
been very clear about my disgust with govermental intrusion, loss of privacy, 
corporatism, etc.  You and I are on the same page.  I just happen to see more 
open-mindedness, today, among the right, that's all I was saying.  Your 
experience could certainly be different.  But, if the right questions BO, he 
should be willing to answer.  He shouldn't be secretive like GWB was, when 
questioned by the left (and by me).

I'm about to post an article that shows , not a left/right problem, but a 
problem of laziness, greed, un-accountability, corporatism (symbioisis of 
gov't and corporate business), and a mal-adjusted culture..............bobford


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--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] More to it; was RE: Welcome to the United 
> Socialist States
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 9:30 AM
> Bob; I believe in pretty much the same freedoms that you do.
> I saw many of 
> them threatened in the past 8 years. I think this election
> may have been a 
> turning point of people sick of the status quo, sick of
> illegal acts by 
> government against citizens,  sick of more and more
> tracking and 
> restrictions, sick of groups trying to legislate (their)
> morality on 
> everyone and take away even more personal freedoms. Obama
> was the only 
> reasonable alternative and I'm willing to give him a
> chance. In a couple 
> years, I might be complaining about him...but I'm going
> to wait for him to 
> DO something before I start criticizing.
> 
> I think we have bigger problems in this country than
> left/right. The 
> corportate control of the government (Monsanto,
> phamaceuticals, finance)  is 
> what is going to deprive all of us of our rights, our
> money, our freedoms, 
> our health. I just read a comment somewhere that said that
> we, as a country, 
> have to stop questioning if something is 'right or
> left' and start 
> questioning whether it's  right or wrong.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] More to it;was RE: Welcome to the
> United Socialist 
> States
> 
> 
> > That might have been true of your youth, when
> 'traditional' was the 
> > dominant cultural appeal.  That is simply no longer
> the case. Now left 
> > wing zealots dominate the culture. The reason that
> ,politically ,i feel 
> > more at home with the right wing types is becuase,
> 'today', they are more 
> > receptive to the ideas of others.  I'll us Ray as
> an example.  He is 
> > someone we both now , on this list , and is of the
> temperament that I 
> > don't think he will mind.
> >
> > Ray is a right-wing, conservative 'believing'
> Mormon.  He can accept that 
> > I believe in homeosexual marriage; (don't really
> believe in statist 
> > marraige at all); I believe the right to bear arms is
> 'absolute' under the 
> > Consttution; I believe that all religion
> 'must' be allowed to be freely 
> > practiced, but that no 'state religion' can be
> created; that corporate 
> > media is a shill for corporatists;
> >
> > I believe that the BIll of Rights grants us nothing,
> but, instead, 
> > acknowledges and protects natural rights that were
> already ours; I believe 
> > completely in the basics of evolution, but also
> believe it is okay to 
> > explain the science to children in a way that can be
> empathetic to their 
> > spiritual beliefs.  I have no moral objections to
> abortion, but once a 
> > fetus can live on its own, I believe in has acquired
> natural and 
> > Constitutional rights, and on, and, on, and on.
> >
> > If I go to a left wing person, and try to be accepted
> into their political 
> > group, they are going to try to force me to change
> some of those beliefs 
> > while keeping the ones they approve.  Not so, for
> right wing libetarian 
> > groups.
> >
> > The leftists have become demoniant in our society, not
> the right wing.  In 
> > our youth, it was different.  I have no fear of right
> wing religious 
> > people.  I do have fear of the zealotry of the
> group-think left.
> >
> > I don't, anymore than you , believe BO desires to
> set up a tyranny.  I do 
> > , however, expect him to explain himself when others
> question authority. 
> > On this list, Keith has a signature that goes
> something like "you will be 
> > judged by your words".  BO's words have made
> some nervous; a few better 
> > placed words in reply is very little to ask ....in my
> opinion......bobford
> >
> >
> >
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> > ,
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] More to it; was RE:
> Welcome to the United 
> >> Socialist States
> >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 6:00 AM
> >> > I just think it is part of the worldview of
> the left to
> >> note and report on
> >> > groups that deviate from the calibration of
> PC
> >> acceptability.  It comes
> >> > quite natural to such a mind-set.  I
> don't think
> >> he meant anything
> >> > otherwise sinister.  But, sinister
> 'can'
> >> cloaked in the cloak of something
> >> > acceptable.
> >>
> >> Bob; I honestly don't understand where you get
> this.
> >> I've always been a
> >> little left-leaning, and it seems to me that
> it's the
> >> right that condems any
> >> deviation from tradition. Look at the religious
> right...so
> >> judgemental,
> >> wanting to legislate others to be like them.
> Remember I was
> >> a bit "hippyish"
> >> in the 1970's, and believe me, it wasn't
> the
> >> liberals who wanted to squash
> >> that movement...my school actually banned bell
> bottoms at
> >> one point, simply
> >> because they represented...what? Free thought?
> Freedom of
> >> expression? To me,
> >> the left has always been "live and let
> live",
> >> "do your own thing". In my
> >> life, the left are more often the ones BEING
> reported, not
> >> the ones doing
> >> the reporting.
> >>
> >> Lynn Wigglesworth
> >>
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