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  • From: "Lynn Wigglesworth" <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
  • To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] More to it; was RE: Welcome to the United Socialist States
  • Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:30:26 -0500

Bob; I believe in pretty much the same freedoms that you do. I saw many of them threatened in the past 8 years. I think this election may have been a turning point of people sick of the status quo, sick of illegal acts by government against citizens, sick of more and more tracking and restrictions, sick of groups trying to legislate (their) morality on everyone and take away even more personal freedoms. Obama was the only reasonable alternative and I'm willing to give him a chance. In a couple years, I might be complaining about him...but I'm going to wait for him to DO something before I start criticizing.

I think we have bigger problems in this country than left/right. The corportate control of the government (Monsanto, phamaceuticals, finance) is what is going to deprive all of us of our rights, our money, our freedoms, our health. I just read a comment somewhere that said that we, as a country, have to stop questioning if something is 'right or left' and start questioning whether it's right or wrong.

Lynn Wigglesworth
----- Original Message ----- From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More to it;was RE: Welcome to the United Socialist States


That might have been true of your youth, when 'traditional' was the dominant cultural appeal. That is simply no longer the case. Now left wing zealots dominate the culture. The reason that ,politically ,i feel more at home with the right wing types is becuase, 'today', they are more receptive to the ideas of others. I'll us Ray as an example. He is someone we both now , on this list , and is of the temperament that I don't think he will mind.

Ray is a right-wing, conservative 'believing' Mormon. He can accept that I believe in homeosexual marriage; (don't really believe in statist marraige at all); I believe the right to bear arms is 'absolute' under the Consttution; I believe that all religion 'must' be allowed to be freely practiced, but that no 'state religion' can be created; that corporate media is a shill for corporatists;

I believe that the BIll of Rights grants us nothing, but, instead, acknowledges and protects natural rights that were already ours; I believe completely in the basics of evolution, but also believe it is okay to explain the science to children in a way that can be empathetic to their spiritual beliefs. I have no moral objections to abortion, but once a fetus can live on its own, I believe in has acquired natural and Constitutional rights, and on, and, on, and on.

If I go to a left wing person, and try to be accepted into their political group, they are going to try to force me to change some of those beliefs while keeping the ones they approve. Not so, for right wing libetarian groups.

The leftists have become demoniant in our society, not the right wing. In our youth, it was different. I have no fear of right wing religious people. I do have fear of the zealotry of the group-think left.

I don't, anymore than you , believe BO desires to set up a tyranny. I do , however, expect him to explain himself when others question authority. On this list, Keith has a signature that goes something like "you will be judged by your words". BO's words have made some nervous; a few better placed words in reply is very little to ask ....in my opinion......bobford


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--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More to it; was RE: Welcome to the United Socialist States
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 6:00 AM
> I just think it is part of the worldview of the left to
note and report on
> groups that deviate from the calibration of PC
acceptability. It comes
> quite natural to such a mind-set. I don't think
he meant anything
> otherwise sinister. But, sinister 'can'
cloaked in the cloak of something
> acceptable.

Bob; I honestly don't understand where you get this.
I've always been a
little left-leaning, and it seems to me that it's the
right that condems any
deviation from tradition. Look at the religious right...so
judgemental,
wanting to legislate others to be like them. Remember I was
a bit "hippyish"
in the 1970's, and believe me, it wasn't the
liberals who wanted to squash
that movement...my school actually banned bell bottoms at
one point, simply
because they represented...what? Free thought? Freedom of
expression? To me,
the left has always been "live and let live",
"do your own thing". In my
life, the left are more often the ones BEING reported, not
the ones doing
the reporting.

Lynn Wigglesworth

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