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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

That might have been true of your youth, when 'traditional' was the dominant 
cultural appeal.  That is simply no longer the case. Now left wing zealots 
dominate the culture. The reason that ,politically ,i feel more at home with 
the right wing types is becuase, 'today', they are more receptive to the 
ideas of others.  I'll us Ray as an example.  He is someone we both now , on 
this list , and is of the temperament that I don't think he will mind.  

Ray is a right-wing, conservative 'believing' Mormon.  He can accept that I 
believe in homeosexual marriage; (don't really believe in statist marraige at 
all); I believe the right to bear arms is 'absolute' under the Consttution; I 
believe that all religion 'must' be allowed to be freely practiced, but that 
no 'state religion' can be created; that corporate media is a shill for 
corporatists; 

 I believe that the BIll of Rights grants us nothing, but, instead, 
acknowledges and protects natural rights that were already ours; I believe 
completely in the basics of evolution, but also believe it is okay to explain 
the science to children in a way that can be empathetic to their spiritual 
beliefs.  I have no moral objections to abortion, but once a fetus can live 
on its own, I believe in has acquired natural and Constitutional rights, and 
on, and, on, and on.

If I go to a left wing person, and try to be accepted into their political 
group, they are going to try to force me to change some of those beliefs 
while keeping the ones they approve.  Not so, for right wing libetarian 
groups.

The leftists have become demoniant in our society, not the right wing.  In 
our youth, it was different.  I have no fear of right wing religious people.  
I do have fear of the zealotry of the group-think left.

I don't, anymore than you , believe BO desires to set up a tyranny.  I do , 
however, expect him to explain himself when others question authority.  On 
this list, Keith has a signature that goes something like "you will be judged 
by your words".  BO's words have made some nervous; a few better placed words 
in reply is very little to ask ....in my opinion......bobford


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--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] More to it; was RE: Welcome to the United 
> Socialist States
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 6:00 AM
> > I just think it is part of the worldview of the left to
> note and report on 
> > groups that deviate from the calibration of PC
> acceptability.  It comes 
> > quite natural to such a mind-set.  I don't think
> he meant anything 
> > otherwise sinister.  But, sinister 'can'
> cloaked in the cloak of something
> > acceptable.
> 
> Bob; I honestly don't understand where you get this.
> I've always been a 
> little left-leaning, and it seems to me that it's the
> right that condems any 
> deviation from tradition. Look at the religious right...so
> judgemental, 
> wanting to legislate others to be like them. Remember I was
> a bit "hippyish" 
> in the 1970's, and believe me, it wasn't the
> liberals who wanted to squash 
> that movement...my school actually banned bell bottoms at
> one point, simply 
> because they represented...what? Free thought? Freedom of
> expression? To me, 
> the left has always been "live and let live",
> "do your own thing". In my 
> life, the left are more often the ones BEING reported, not
> the ones doing 
> the reporting.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth 
> 
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