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I know what you are saying. I don't believe I'm any safer 
with a department of Homeland Security, and think most of 
it is BS. But I can see a need to try to keep invasives 
and disease from being imported into our landscapes and 
croplands. (Unfortunately much of what has run amok, like 
kudzu, was brought here intentionally). Here there is an 
Indian mustard Rapistrum rugosum "Bastard Cabbage" taking 
over farmer's fields and outcompeting our wildflowers. I 
never saw it until about a decade ago and it's 
proliferating. It's toxic to livestock who are confined to 
fields of the stuff. I believe it came it with grass seed. 
I don't think having someone checking for this kind of 
stuff is altogether bad. But I do believe botanists were 
checking imports long before 9/11.

--Sage



On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:28:52 -0700 (PDT)
 bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sage, I don't know the specifics of the NAIS stuff, like 
> Lynn does.  I think pretty much everything you wrote is 
> correct , plus more.  You know a lot about plants, but I 
> know, I don't like all of this homeland s*curity/p*triot 
> act stuff; plants, animals, people , I don't care.
>
>  How did you protect plants before 9 11 ?  I remember, 
> as a kid, coming out west on vacation , and being stopped 
> and asked if we had fruits or vegetables, but nobody 
> asked for daddy's id, or searched the car.  'just asked , 
> and waved us on.  'simpler times .....bobf
>
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>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/29/08, eureka AT hctc.net <eureka AT hctc.net> 
> wrote:
>
> > From: eureka AT hctc.net <eureka AT hctc.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] NAIS, APHIS Over 50% Preemises 
> > registerd in 13 states & Customss / APHIS
> > To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > Bob, you are right, I try to stay out of political talk 
> > in 
> > general as I'm on the list to glean homesteading 
> > knowledge.
> >
> >  From a food standpoint, and an egg farmer, I'm very
> > aware 
> > of NAIS and how it's pushing small farmers around. But
> > my 
> > understanding of APHIS is limited, from my friend in 
> > plant 
> > pathology research, not my field. Maybe I'm naive, and 
> > only looking at botanical proctection from the sense of 
> > keeping plant disease and insects out of the country. I 
> > suppose Homeland Security could involve the feeding of 
> > people, but then that should require agronomists.
> >
> > I see all of this largely driven by corporate greed of 
> > the 
> > Monsantos who have undoubtedly benefitted from NAIS and 
> > eight years of Bush politics. The last I'd heard the
> > NAIS 
> > thing was dead. What happened?
> >
> > --Sage
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:33:54 -0700 (PDT)
> >   bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > You normally don't participate in our political 
> > >discussions , Sage.  So, I'll let Lynn , or someone
> > else, 
> > >give you a non-political reason the gov't needs,
> > for 
> > >supposed security reason, to identify, and track 
> > >preactically every animate and inanimate object in the 
> > >world, including 'me' .
> > > 
> > > I think centralized gov';t simply ,always, demands
> > more 
> > >and more control.  But, I think Lynn is fairly familiar
> > , 
> > >atleast with the NAIS stuff __ Now both are kind of
> > being 
> > >combined ....bobford
>
>
>      
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