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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

I'd vote for a Paul/Kucinich ticket, in a heartbeat.  (not the other way 
around though).  Paul would put the crooks out of gov't -- many in jail, and 
Kucinich would help the (truly) needy.  And, it would be fun.  They both have 
great senses of humor .....bobford


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--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Upcoming - under Dem/Obama reign  - wsj
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 3:53 PM
> Bev; Doesn't it bother you that both McCain and Obama
> voted for the 
> bailout? If forcing tax payers to subsidize the loses of
> wall street 
> isn't socialism, what is? Tax cuts for the rich/tax
> cuts for the 
> poor...the tax plans are the same, but opposite (how is one
> socialism 
> and one not?). Both voted FOR the Patriot Act, which is
> eroding our 
> freedom. Do you really think it matters who wins? Both are
> in the pocket 
> of big business and will serve their overlords.
> 
> There ARE people running for president who would NOT have
> voted that 
> way. Candidates who believe in civic liberties and the
> constitution, but 
> few people have the guts to support them. That's why we
> keep getting 
> more of the same, or worse.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> 
> EarthNSky wrote:
> > Gene GeRue wrote:
> >> On Oct 28, 2008, at 10:34 AM, EarthNSky wrote:
> >>
> >>> You seem to be worried a lot about the rights
> of sovereign 
> >>> countries, but not about the rights of your
> fellow Americans.
> >> Bev, do you really think that personal insults
> help the search for 
> >> truth?
> > 
> > Ask yourself the same question Gene.  When is enough,
> enough on
> > politics? I wasn't searching for any kind of
> truth, I was stating my
> > opinion.  I take it as a personal insult every time
> you write 'The
> > Revolution is BO...blah blah blah'.. You are
> entitled to believe anyway
> > you want, just as I am. I resent, however, your
> comments that reflect
> > your views that socialism is a good thing.  I am sick
> to death of Bush
> > and Republican bashing. It is beating a dead horse. I
> am tired of
> > feeling like I have to defend my country at every
> turn.  I will gladly
> > do that, but I shouldn't have to, especially to
> another American. You
> > seem to constantly degrade and find fault with
> America, and that is
> > insulting to me. I love my country for better or for
> worse, but Obama is
> > not what the founding father's envisioned for
> America.
> > 
> > Laugh if you want, but for me, these discussions are
> as serious as life
> > and death.  This is not philosophical entertainment
> for me.  This
> > election scares me...it is sinking in that everything
> I have worked for
> > for the last 10 years is for nothing....My children
> will never inherit
> > this place.  My granddaughter will not know freedom of
> speech.  Had I
> > known that Barack Obama would bring Socialism to
> America, and worse,
> > that a majority would happily accept such, I would
> have never had
> > children.  I feel that strongly about it.  It occurs
> to me that even if
> > McCain wins the election this time, that Obama will be
> back in 2012 and
> > we will do this all over again.  If he doesn't win
> this time, he will
> > win next time, because people want a handout in this
> country.  They have
> > short memories, and don't look beyond next year. 
> They don't look at
> > anything long term, how freedoms erode, or sustainable
> economics.   I
> > was in tears and had chest pains yesterday afternoon
> because I was upset
> > and frustrated over conversations on this list.  It is
> the second such
> > time in a week.  It seems that we can no longer even
> have a conversation
> > about something as wonderful as Old Books without the
> election/socialism
> > rearing its head.  I am increasingly feeling less a
> part of Homestead.
> >   The rift is taking its toll on me.  Perhaps I should
> move on, or better
> > yet, hunker down and disappear, because people like me
> will soon be even
> > more of a target, recall this part of the subject
> article:
> > 
> > *Free speech will be curtailed through the
> reimposition of the Fairness
> > Doctrine to limit the conservative talk radio that so
> irritates the
> > liberal establishment.
> > 
> > It just seems to me like any voice of opposition is
> getting squashed or
> > belittled.  I know I am not alone..look at how Joe the
> Plumber was
> > treated, Palin's email was broken into, Strategic
> Vision Polling's death
> > threats, the snubbing of the Florida news station, and
> you calling me
> > out here because I voiced my opinion on how I see the
> slant of your
> > posts....that you are more concerned about the
> sovereignty of other
> > countries(I can't count how many times you have
> mentioned this, once
> > again even since I started writing this response), but
> there have been
> > no comments from you as to how personal rights and
> freedoms will be
> > affected by an Obama Presidency where Democrats
> control the Congress and
> > the Judicial branch is left leaning as well.  There
> will be no checks
> > and balances...all three branches of government will
> be liberally left
> > of center, pushing to the radical left by the
> leadership of the Party,
> > and there will be no brakes, no checks.  There is no
> mention of this,
> > only Bush bashing and the embracement of socialist
> policy.  That is what
> > I see from your posts.
> > 
> > Bev
> > 
> > 
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