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First, I generally agree with the vet, with some caveats.  Border collies, 
especially those from like Scotland and those with bloodlines outside of the 
AKC, are often mixed breed.  Pedigreed herding dogs do not always have to 
have one specific breed.  I've had ISDA dogs that had mixed bloodlines.  
(ISDS= International Sheep Dog Society---note the space between sheep and 
dog)  ISDS registers border collies and other herders.  
Point is, that there are generally two types of herding dogs, gatherers and 
drovers.  BC's are naturally gatherers.  Aussies, Blue Healers, Kelpies, 
etc., are naturally drovers.  There can be crossing depending on bloodlines.  
We are talking instinct, however.
To the untrained eye, to watch a dog gather sheep, especially when they are 
far away, it might appear that the sheep are being chased, but with a trained 
dog, not so.  A young dog will chase, but then becomes 'lost' and doesn't 
know what to do.  He will often look back for instruction or chase in 
circles.  Their prey drive isn't strong enough, generally, for the dog to 
attack the sheep/goat/deer with any malintention.  HOWEVER, a drover is a 
different matter.  They are more aggressive and will not only chase but 
sometimes bite, a real bite, not just the guiding nip that a BC or sheltie 
might give.  Drovers are trained differently than gatherers.
Personally, I would not recommend a herding dog for this.  Hounds are better 
suited, specifically a sight hound.  If you live in the woods, which you 
must, it would drive a scent hound crazy and he could become lost.  You 
wouldn't need a large dog, just a good barker that will give chase for a 
short distance.
One more thing....I don't know about where you live, but in my neck of the 
woods, the fastest way to lose a dog is to allow that dog to run deer.  Dogs 
that chase deer are short-lived as folks don't take kindly to that kind of 
harassment of the natural food supply.  If I were you, I would definitely 
want my dog to stay on my property.  

Akka B, who's owned  and worked numerous herding dogs,  and owned one very 
big lug of scent hound (Elkhound) that I miss dearly.

--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:
From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] June, July and August
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 9:23 PM

On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lisa K.V. Perry wrote:

> Oldest son worked with a Vet last summer (a year ago), she trains  
> BCs and
> owns several. She told Spencer that since BCs are natural herding  
> dogs it
> goes against their instinct to chase. Makes sense.

I don't think so. A friend's border collie chased anything that got  
into their three-acre clearing. And Dax. a German Shepherd, and Benny,  
an Australian Shepherd, chased anything that got within chasing  
distance. 
<snip>

Seriously, if it were me having such deer problems, I would get two  
puppies of a breed with strong territorial instincts. Two males.

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Among members of this list are some very bright people.  Perhaps one of you 
can explain to me how this can be brought, in any way, to a long-term 
desirable conclusion.  Yet, its not being portrayed as such an awful thing on 
the news . 

 I see this as the spring-head of the worst economic development of my 
lifetime, but it is not the news lead.  Maybe I'm just not educated enough to 
see what others are seeing (i'm reading on business sites that ,short-term , 
this will be good  for the dollar)--but the dollar is just a commodity.  
Short-term , a week?  five years?  How can the gov't possibly work through 
this and the other 56 trillion of debt other than with a printing machine,

 if my simple public school math is right, that's about $400,000 for every 
person USD, legal or illegal, grown or child, in this country ---right now. 
--And the interest is still compounding  ( and, when did civilization do away 
with the idea that usury was a bad thing?-- I remember listening to a tape of 
Ezra Pound talking about usury before he was convicted of treason, was usury 
still illegal somewhere in the world in the 1930's -40's?) 

I see nothing in our future but terrible inflated currency and a deflated 
asset base (and I don't believe in peak oil, so if peak oil is true, things 
should get even worse and even faster).  

Rather than paying for everything, as I have , and living debt-free.  If I 
had it to do again, I would carry as much debt as possible, I don't think it 
will matter much, dollars will be so available and worth so very little. 

Where is the positive?  What am I not seeing or understanding? ....bobford