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[Akka Homestead <akkabhomestead AT yahoo.com>]

I read this page.  It does not address the issue.  It continues to hold 
to the "here's my birth certificate and it's authentic" stance.  No 
mention of passports, citizenship, other names and travels.

I'm not saying I believe Hagmann's article any more than I believe 
Obama's "spread the truth" page, what I am saying who will it take to 
produce evidence that you might believe?  If he really went to Pakistan 
at the age of 20 using another name and another passport, how can that 
be verified?  Who is to do that?  I think, like the plaintiff in the 
lawsuit, that it should be the DNC.  I suppose we will have to see how this 
plays in court.

Akka

Don Bowen wrote:
> http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
> 





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Don Bowen wrote:
> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

This is a good site-good information, thanks.  I hope that soon they
will address the 'it was his half sister's certification' allegation, as well 
as the 'original records are sealed' allegation.


> http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

This goes to the "fight the smear" page that I mentioned in the other
post. Not helpful.

I can tell you that it does not take an act of Congress to have a birth
certificate altered.  It just takes a willing judge.  I personally have
2 birth certificates, one is sealed, one is in my wallet.  My dh also 
has two, for different reasons-he was born overseas on a base. 
Officially, he relinquished his British citizenship, but as we found out 
recently, it is easy to reclaim a citizenship once relinquished. (BIL 
did so with a simple residency requirement) I actually do believe that 
Barack, Barry, or whoever he claims he is at the moment- was born here,
and that the certificate is real, maybe not original, but real.

It's just a story and development(the lawsuit against the Democratic 
nominee-it's official now) that I think should be covered by the mainstream 
media..  I have to wonder why they aren't covering it.  
I know you will say that they aren't covering it because it is a non-issue, 
and I might have believed that before I learned that the media withheld 
information FOR TWO YEARS that Edwards was cheating on his terminally ill 
wife.  I wouldn't have thought that possible, either. (Both things-the 
withholding of information and the scumbag actions of a guy that was one of 
my favorite Democrats...you think I am disappointed in Obama?, believe me 
when I tell you that I am REALLY disappointed in Edwards.)

Akka B




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I take your remarks personally since I was the one who brought this 
'discourse' to the list.  We may not agree on Obama, and you may not like my 
questions, but I am just as "endowed" as you are.  I am inquiring...not 
accepting the status quo or the pablum oozing from the mainstream 
media-including Barack's websites.  I remind you, that you have a delete key 
if you think this conversation/discussion is garbage gossip.

Akka B

--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:



I find such stuff as this just barely above the level of garbage  
gossip, the discourse of the cognitively embarrassed and unendowed. I  
respond only in the hope that a few more people will drag themselves  
up out of the cesspool that this presidential campaign has too often  
sunk into.






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Thankks for the comment.  I didn't know what to make of the article, except I 
have a gut feeling this was another one of those big plans to get government 
money through grants, tax credits, etc.

  The people are already paid their profit,so now back to the taxpayers to 
make it work--if it ever does.

The same kind of stuff happened when Carter was President.  Fly-by-nighters 
putting up crappy solar water heaters and pv panels that didn't half work.  
The hucksters got their government money   (through the homeowners who 
received tax credits), then the homeowner had to pay again to remove the junk.

The government runs new ideas and most anything else about as well as 
Enron...bobford

p.s. picked my first tomatoes today.  eight cherry tomatoes.  It is 107
degrees and quite humid in my backyard....bobford



--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Wendy <crazygardens AT verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Wendy <crazygardens AT verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] wind energy/power grid
> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 4:50 PM
> I give this article an  "Oh, Duh!"  ANYTIME you
> put in a new power plant on
> the grid, you have to add transmission lines.  Did they
> really think they
> could just tap into existing feeder lines and be done with
> it?  His concept
> of a "power backbone" is a bad idea.  What makes
> our power system so
> dependable is the "spider web" type pattern it
> now has.  The backbone
> concept would make out country very susceptible to wide
> spread outages
> (several states at a time).  I can't believe that the
> people who built the
> wind stations didn't take into account the limitations
> of supplying into a
> source feeder line.  Now they want the government to fund
> and regulate
> something that is THEIR responsibility and should have been
> planned for
> added into the cost of the power plant at the beginning.
> I'm a serious RE
> fan and I think wind stations are a must, however, this is
> the kind of
> half-baked nonsense that has given RE a bad name from the
> beginning and can
> be used by the nay-sayers to show that RE and conventional
> power is not
> compatible, that we (as a power user and tax payer)
> must.fork over
> mega-bucks to add RE to our power strategy.  I wanna puke.
>
> Wendy
>
>
>
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/business/27grid.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx19856674-Xwc8UVl7w4k5E0p61j/pYg
> >
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