Corpus-Paul

["Liz Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim West [mailto:jwest AT highland.net]
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 2:45 PM
> To: Corpus-paul
> Subject: [corpus-paul] Re: Jesus and death
>
>
> At 02:32 PM 7/1/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >
> >Also I think that Paul adumbrates Jesus' voluntary self-offering pretty
> >clearly in Romans 5:7-8.  I see this as quite consistent with Markan and
> >Johannine theology.  A good question would be whether this is Pauline or
> >prepauline.  Compare 1 Cor 15:3-4 in what Paul unmistakably marks as
> >prepauline tradition: the necessity of Jesus' death "for our sins"
> >"according to the scriptures."
>
> are you saying paul thought jesus would never die had he not been
> executed?
> this is, in my view, the rebirth of an inhuman, gnostic jesus.

It seems so to me too.
In the ane immortality was the difference between being human and being a
god. To say Jesus would have lived forever implies Jesus is a god, not
human. But it seems that Dunn is saying that never to sin means never to
taste death. Since Jesus never sinned, ergo, he never would have tasted
death unless he decided to die.
But I would have thought that this decision to die occurred when he decided
to be human, prior to becoming human. But Dunn says that Christ was not
pre-existent. So he made this decision while a human. So I am at a loss
here.
How could a human being -- even if sinless -- make a decision not to ever
die? Unless I don't understand, entirely possible.

Thanks,
Liz
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> Jim West, ThD
> jwest AT highland.net
> http://web.infoave.net/~jwest
>
>
>
> ---
> You are currently subscribed to corpus-paul as: lizfried AT umich.edu
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> $subst('Email.Unsub')
>