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  • From: Reese Gibbs <rrgibbs53 AT yahoo.com>
  • To: RTP-area local music and culture <ch-scene AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: stuff to do, week of December 7, 2007
  • Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:15:45 -0800 (PST)

I laughed when I thought of the song "You Are The Woman" until I realized the
song is now lodged like shrapnel in my head. The laugher abruptly stopped.

James Hepler <jameshepler AT yahoo.com> wrote: Firefall! I love that song you
guys do, "You Are The
Woman" It's awesome!



--- Reese Gibbs wrote:

> Yeah Yeah!! Like Voldemort. But like in Harry
> Potter when you don't mention someone's name you
> give it power (?) so the band I'm in is, of course,
> Firefall.
>
> That's a strange way to tell me you love me, Chaz.
>
> -Reese
>
> chaz wrote: Shayne is in
> Future Kings of Nowhere and Reese is in the Band
> That
> Cannot Be Named.
> I think they used to open up for the Dwarves.
>
>
> On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, rrgibb... AT yahoo.com (Reese
> Gibbs) wrote:
> > Who wants to know what band I'm in? This game is
> fun.
> >
> > Kevin Slater wrote: The possibilities are
> ENDLESS!!!
> >
> > k.
> >
> > On Dec 11, 2007, at 4:16 PM, grady wrote:
> >
> > > Or if anybody else wants to show up & pose as
> one of those bands, it's
> > > apparently wide-open.
> >
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http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/37/37037.html

2006 population of Chatham County: ~60,000

Estimated 2006 population of Pittsboro: 2500

Mean Chathamite travel time to work (in 2000): 27 minutes

2006 non-farm employment: 12,500

% of county population between 18 and 65: 64% (~38,400 people)

If we assume that the only Chathamites who can live a luxurious walkable
life like your own are residents of either Pittsboro or Siler City (pop.
8450), that leaves 49,000 Chathamites who aren't town-dwellers
(depending on whether you count Moncure, I guess).

If we assume a near-NC-average unemployment rate of 5%, that leaves
~36,000 Chathamites between 18 and 65 who're employed. If 12,500 of them
work in-county, that leaves 23,500 of them who work out-of-county, like
me. That mean-travel-time-to-work would seem to reflect that.

I have no doubt that you, Mr. Murrell, are part of the solution, not
part of the problem. But you are in the minority, my friend.

But then you knew that, you cranky person.

xo

Ross

p.s. "music at several venues"? I suppose if you count Piedmont Biofuels
as a venue . . .

Duncan Murrell wrote:
> I live in Chatham and walk to work, you cranky person. So does the
> spouse. We walk to church, five different restaurants, two
> playgrounds, music at several venues, the community college, the
> cooperative marketplace and the mill (where they put on theater
> productions), the post office (if I'm in an energetic mood -- about a
> mile away), two art galleries, soon to be a woodwright's shop, Steve
> Carr's bar, a tienda, Tommy Edwards' s music shop, Tony Sullivan's
> music shop, two fishing holes, a florist, three banks, and many of our
> friend's houses.
>
> Pfffffffff.
>
> d
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:02 AM, grady wrote:
>
>> l.sward wrote:
>>> Yes, Durham was in the works, but we got a house in Chatham Co.
>>> instead.
>>>
>>> Also, do you really think Chapel Hill will do mixed-use right? I
>>> guess
>>> what I mean is will they make it affordable so people don't have to
>>> move to the subs and use there cars?
>> I dunno how many existing in-town residents will be displaced by the
>> upcoming mixed-use developments (I know the older white apartments
>> across from Breadmans will be replaced by the Shortbread Lofts, but I
>> don't know if that's a net increase or decrease, and how the prices
>> will
>> compare). It would seem like the total number of in-town residential
>> units will be increasing, which has to be a good thing.
>>
>> Once the redevelopment makes it all the way down to Cliff's, all bets
>> are off. But that'll be a while.
>>
>> Will the in-town housing be affordable? Depends on what you mean by
>> affordable. People have to make tradeoffs, generally, when moving to
>> urban mixed-use developments (proximity to work/downtown, in exchange
>> for living-area, for example) and it's not clear that peeps around
>> here
>> are willing to do that in large numbers.
>>
>> People in the US in general, and in the south in particular, have been
>> conditioned to not accept the notion of compromise or trade-offs
>> when it
>> comes to their living situations. They want to be able to have
>> convenience *and* two cars (with garage or on-street parking
>> directly in
>> front of the house) *and* plenty of room in their house/apartment
>> *and*
>> walkability *and* etc etc etc.
>>
>> AND perhaps most importantly, they don't want to see any of the
>> "village-like" atmosphere of their current towns sullied by bulldozers
>> and new infill construction. So thus far Chapel Hill's "mixed-use"
>> developments (Meadowmont & Southern Village) have been failures, in
>> the
>> sense that the people who live there by-and-large don't work there,
>> because the ratio of commercial to residential space is screwy (and in
>> both cases, the commercial mix isn't really even fully focused on
>> meeting the needs of the residents nearby). There's nothing inherently
>> great about one group of people living in close proximity to the
>> workplaces of another group of people, you know? And they're way out
>> on
>> the edges of town because they couldn't disturb any existing
>> stuff . . .
>> and so far anyway, town hasn't grown out towards them to bridge the
>> gaps.
>>
>> I shouldn't call them complete failures, because I'm sure there is
>> some
>> percentage of residents at both places who actually work within the
>> developments, but I can't imagine that % being very high. I wonder if
>> anybody has kept statistics.
>>
>> The stuff we're looking at now in the Chapel Hill/Carrboro core
>> (setting
>> aside 54 East, which is going to take the place of the being-destroyed
>> motel out there on 54, and may or may not suffer the same
>> too-far-from-town problems as Meadowmont) is closer to what mixed-
>> use is
>> supposed to be, which is to say maintaining or increasing the
>> commercial
>> density of the downtown core while increasing its residential density.
>>
>> But if the current experiments are any indication (the condos across
>> from Nightlight, plus the gonna-start-construction any-day-now
>> Greenbridge another 2 blocks up Rosemary), the developers are
>> following
>> the "downtown condos! charge as much as you want!" model, same as in
>> Raleigh. The notion being, I guess, that there are enough rich folks
>> who
>> like the idea of a glamorous condo high above downtown Chapel Hill
>> that
>> they'd be willing and able to pay $225-$350/square foot for the
>> privilege.
>>
>> Affordability is a nagging issue, always, and Chapel Hill has
>> ordinances
>> to address that, but it's typically done on a unit-price basis (X
>> units
>> need to cost less than $Y). Greenbridge initially tried to cope with
>> this by making itty-bitty studio apartments (~600 sq ft) but the
>> neighborhood balked.
>>
>> Nevertheless, that's the typical solution. Which brings us roundabout
>> back to the notion I started with, which is that people seem loath to
>> compromise, or trade one convenience for another. So it's hard to
>> sell a
>> condo in town if it doesn't come with at least one dedicated parking
>> space directly adjacent. And it's hard to sell a condo in town (around
>> here, anyway, apparently) if it's less than 800 square feet.
>>
>> People look at the existing housing stock (which is mostly less than 5
>> minutes drive away) and say "I could get a 1400-sq-foot house for what
>> you're charging me for 700 square feet," and honestly, it's hard to
>> argue with them.
>>
>> So will Chapel Hill do mixed-use right? How about asking these
>> questions: will ground-floor commercial rents in the new buildings be
>> any higher than in the existing older single-story structures? Will
>> there be restrictions on the kinds of businesses that can operate on
>> the
>> ground floor of a building with residential units on the upper floors?
>>
>> If you answered "yes" or "probably," then it may or may not be
>> "right,"
>> but the character of the downtown core will definitely be different.
>> People around here tend to be NIMBYs, so I would imagine there
>> wouldn't
>> be much room for a rockclub below peoples' apartments. Even a
>> restaurant
>> could be problematic, with the smells and the noises & etc. Putting up
>> with that is part of the point of urban living, but as I said,
>> compromise doesn't seem to be as prevalent around here as it is in the
>> urban-for-150-years northeast.
>>
>> So if you're living in Chatham (which is where I currently live),
>> you're
>> part of the problem, driving your ass everywhere you go. How's your
>> commute? And how much would you give up in order to shorten that
>> drive,
>> and be closer to the stuff you actually like to do? (assuming that any
>> of what you actually like to do was still there by the time you moved
>> into your new downtown apartment ;-) )
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