RTP-area local music and culture

[Bo Williams <bowilliams AT gmail.com>]

FWIW, clubowners in Boston bitched about the non-smoking regulations along
similar lines. There was a perceived initial drop in bar revenue (and even
that is disputed), but the people I've talked to- yes, this is totally
anecdotal and thus mostly worthless, but still... say that attendance at
shows is back up and maybe even higher a few years down the road. The long
term benefits so outweigh the fearmongering.

Smokers are used to being persecuted and unhappy, and it's only going to get
worse for them anyway. Maybe they'll drink more in their alienation.

Seriously, the smoke thing is ridiculous. Haven't sweet potatoes displaced
tobacco yet? They're digging for gold in the hill of North Carolina!

Bo

On 1/19/06, Chris Rossi <nospam AT spacelabstudio.com> wrote:
>
> Re: smoke.  I missed most of the bands at the Minutemen tribute show
> because I was driven out by the smoke.  Sure, I was recovering from a
> cold at the time so the discomfort was particularly acute, but it really
> made me start thinking how it would be nice if I could go out and see
> music in a non-toxic environment.  I had very tentatively explored with
> a few bandmates the idea of making the last Wusses gig non-smoking, but
> found there was still this lingering impression that a non-smoking show
> would drive away too many smokers.  I don't really buy this, since the
> times are a changin' and most people these days don't smoke.  Sure
> there's an ethical question of why we're risking the health of a
> majority of people for the enjoyment of a few.  But there's also the
> very pragmatic question of how many non-smokers would be attracted back
> to rock shows vs how many smokers would actually be driven away.  My
> hunch is that not many smokers would stop coming to shows, but many more
> non-smokers would be willing to come out on a weeknight for some rock.
> So it would make sense from a financial perspective, not just an ethical
> one.  Of course, I could be totally wrong.  Maybe ask the Cave whether
> they've noticed any change in attendance since going non-smoking.
>
> chris
>
>
>
> grady wrote:
> > I can't believe I forgot the Cave!
> >
> > Glenn: If people are leaving after one band (something I myself do on
> > occasion), then I'd guess one reason would be the desire not to die of
> > smoke inhalation. There are plenty of other reasons (shows start late,
> > people have jobs/school/whatever, plus, yes, I think people aren't as
> > curious about random bands anymore, because we're fucking *drowning* in
> > random bands from all sides), but don't discount the smoke factor. I've
> > had about 400 conversations with triangle clubgoers about smoke, and how
> > the lack of it at the Cradle is remarkably invigorating, and how the
> > omnipresence of it at other clubs is getting to be such a drag that many
> > folks don't go out anymore once they hit 30 or so & their cilia aren't
> > regenerating quite so quickly anymore.
> >
> > I heard a rumor last month that even Kings is trying to figure out a way
> > to accomodate smokers outside so they can go nonsmoking inside. Glory
> be.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > Jeffrey Herrick wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Grady wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Chapel Hill:
> >>>Cat's Cradle
> >>>Reservoir, occasionally
> >>>Local 506
> >>>Nightlight
> >>>Library
> >>>Wetlands
> >>
> >>hey don't forget the Cave! Fluff Chick will play to 5 people there
> >>on Washington's b-day..
> >>
> >>Yea, there are probably too many clubs and too many shows...
> >>I mean if we can get a show..
> >>
> >>The kids have all this internet/ipod/myspace stuff why would the average
> >>weirdo kid want to venture out to a smoky scary club to take a chance on
> a local band?
> >>
> >>The problem is the awkward kids don't have to go out now.
> >>They can stay in and be distracted by their electronic gizmos dang
> nabit!
> >>No reason to listen to xyc & xdu with the internet.. so they never know
> that there are local bands..
> >>.they just read pitchfork and listen to what they say is good..
> >>
> >>did I mention smoke?
> >>
> >>Is there as many people going to record stores to see flyers for local
> bands and talk to other music lovers?
> >>
> >>only old people read list-serv's or whatever you call this thing..
> >>
> >>Oh yea.. gas is expensive..
> >>CH is expensive so many folks moved to Durham.. splintered "the scene"
> man..
> >>
> >>
> >>Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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