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  • From: Mark Simonsen <fracas66 AT yahoo.com>
  • To: RTP-area local music and culture <ch-scene AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: 23 Acts, 4 Stages = Sat Nite in Carrboro
  • Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:10:20 -0700 (PDT)

Touche! I appreciate a well reasoned/argued response. "Hypocritical,"
however, may be a bit strong considering I was not trying to defend the
Independent (though I realize I probably should have stopped writing after
the part about loving music) so much as respond to the statement "Yr
high-priced communication-consultant brain. . . " which could not be further
from the truth.
I do not believe that any of the bands you mentioned suck and I could
add more to the list of "non-sucking" bands (I'll spare you that for the
moment). "Playing in front of the right people" may have been an insensitive
notion but I have accepted that I am personally doomed to not play in front
of the "right people" (I have a garage band that meets on monday nights to
loudly play the world's most unpopular music- free jazz. We were not
surprised when Superchunk got nominated over our band "Japanese Lesbian
Schoolgirls on Drugs" ("What's wrong with being 'sexy?")). Oh, now I'm gonna
get trashed.
Otherwise, I pretty much agree with most of what you write- I am not
some representative of the Independent trying to defend what they are doing.
As a matter of fact, I cannot stand to see favoritism and competition because
it leads to the very "exclusivity" problem that I started this whole thing
about. When the Indy started doing "Indy Picks" beside their favorite
musicians in the listings, I was disappointed. Especially if I saw the same
people getting the "picks" every time.
This is a great scene and I don't mean to offend- I just get sick of the
trashing- Mark
paok <bluefreaky AT earthlink.net> wrote:
Look, I agree with you that Ross' comments to Catherine were way out of line
and inappropriate. Cat is a wonderful, hardworking person who does truly care
about the music community.

However, criticism of the Indy Awards is completely justified and is not
based on mere grumblings that my favorite band (I don't have a favorite band,
actually) did not make the Indy's cut.

The problem with the Indy Awards is not that they're not "Indy enough",
whatever that is supposed to mean. One problem, in my opinion, is that the
indy awards seem very out of touch with the real music scene. How were the
bands nominated? You've got the Rosebuds mentioned about a hundred times and
superchunk (?!)--what's your definition of "local scene" anyway? where's
audabon park, the nein, cantwell, gomez & jordan, hotel/motel, lud, des_ark,
cold sides, sorry about dresden, gerty, the torch marauder, the weather, the
clang quartet, evil weiner, the holy roman empire, erie choir? where are all
the bands in the local music scene? Do all of these noteworthy bands "suck"
(to use your words) in the Indy's estimation? Does the Indy even know they
exist?

If the Independent is going to be so presumptious as to present awards for
local music, it had damn well know it's local music. And the awards at least,
suggest it does not. Frankly, I am somewhat embarrassed for the Independent.
(Let me make it very clear that I do not wish this to be interpreted as an
attack on the music journalists of the indy who in my opinion do a very
decent job of covering local music (and I'm not just saying that so chris
toenes won't beat me up ;) )).

And its sort of hyprocritical for you to criticize Ross for not being
involved with the Indy Awards when the only outlet I see that the Indy's
created for people to be involved is a silly ballot. What was the nomination
process? Who are the "right people", Mark, who get to make the decision about
who gets to be on the silly ballot? They don't seem to be the people who
actually go to the rock shows, do they?

Finally, there is the problem with having awards in the first place, the
problem of the silly ballot. Why does the Indy want to create needless
competition in a community that thrives on cooperation and supportive
camraderie? Why can't the Indy just throw a music festival to highlight the
local scene? Perhaps the Indy is more concerned with touting what it wants to
be "the next big thing"? That is not what our local music community is about.

sincerely,
phaedra

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Simonsen
Sent: Oct 1, 2004 1:46 AM
To: RTP-area local music and culture
Subject: Re: 23 Acts, 4 Stages = Sat Nite in Carrboro

It is exactly this kind of petty comment that makes the Chapel Hill music
scene seem so exclusive and cliquish. Why is it that every time people in
this community try to get together to do something GOOD, somebody has to come
along and completely trash it and the people who worked so hard to put it
together?
I have watched Catherine Kerr work tirelessly to promote our music scene-
much moreso than any other individual that I know (she is responsible for
curating the displays of local rock memoribilia throughout Carrboro). I
cannot sit back and have my friends be so thoughtlessly criticized when they
are generously and voluntarily contributing something GOOD to our community.
Cat does this because she loves music- same reason most of us are on this
list. But instead of sitting in front of a computer screen bitching and
moaning about every shakeup in the local status quo, she is actually out
there doing the shaking.
Sorry Grady (if that is who wrote the post to which I am responding). What
makes picking up the Independent so hard? It's FREE! It's at almost every
club in town. How much easier can it be? Do we really need our inboxes choked
up with the minutae of everyone's schedules?
So the Indy awards are not "Indy" enough for you? Well it's their first year
doing it. Maybe you can get involved next time and make it better.
Your band didn't make it onto the ballot? Maybe you didn't play in front of
the right people. Maybe you didn't do enough leg work (running a band is hard
work and takes a lot of time). Or maybe your band just plain sucks.
It's enough to make a person want to simply bid this listserve a fond
farewell. (By the way- i have never heard your band should you actually have
one so the statement about your band "sucking" is completely hypothetical).
grady wrote:
Oh, I get it. Yr high-priced communication-consultant brain says "if I
post the full lineup here, I'll have no reason to tell them to pick up a
copy of the paper."

Tell me, who was the one with the brilliant idea to not print any
biographical information about the nominees until *after* the voting was
over? I'm sure there was some strategic thinking behind that one as
well, but I can't quite suss it out.

Probably the same person who didn't think to post MP3s of the nominated
songs to the website . . . heaven forbid anyone get to hear what they're
voting for.


catherine kerr wrote:

> Have Fun / Great Bands on Sat Nite - All this and more will be had at the
> Indy Music Awards - Sat, Oct 2nd from 6-1
> Tickets are $10 at the ArtsCenter and the Cat's Cradle.
> Check the complete schedule in this week's Indy.
> COME...support yourselves and your friends.
>
> www.indymusicawards.com
>
>
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> I'm thinking there was probably a single set of cameras & the feed was
> split to anybody who wanted to carry it, but I didn't do any surfing
> around, so I dunno for sure. On C-SPAN Bush appeared to have been zoomed
> in slightly to make up for the height differential. He also appeared to
> be more normally flesh-colored, whereas Kerry was a slightly ghoulish
> greenish color.
>
> Are there any firm statistics about apparent head size and victory?
>
> Ross



The best part was the difference in the length of Kerry and Bush's
microphones.

Maria




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