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  • From: paok <bluefreaky AT earthlink.net>
  • To: RTP-area local music and culture <ch-scene AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: 23 Acts, 4 Stages = Sat Nite in Carrboro
  • Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:46:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

Look, I agree with you that Ross' comments to Catherine were way out of line
and inappropriate. Cat is a wonderful, hardworking person who does truly
care about the music community.

However, criticism of the Indy Awards is completely justified and is not
based on mere grumblings that my favorite band (I don't have a favorite band,
actually) did not make the Indy's cut.

The problem with the Indy Awards is not that they're not "Indy enough",
whatever that is supposed to mean. One problem, in my opinion, is that the
indy awards seem very out of touch with the real music scene. How were the
bands nominated? You've got the Rosebuds mentioned about a hundred times and
superchunk (?!)--what's your definition of "local scene" anyway? where's
audabon park, the nein, cantwell, gomez & jordan, hotel/motel, lud, des_ark,
cold sides, sorry about dresden, gerty, the torch marauder, the weather, the
clang quartet, evil weiner, the holy roman empire, erie choir? where are all
the bands in the local music scene? Do all of these noteworthy bands "suck"
(to use your words) in the Indy's estimation? Does the Indy even know they
exist?

If the Independent is going to be so presumptious as to present awards for
local music, it had damn well know it's local music. And the awards at
least, suggest it does not. Frankly, I am somewhat embarrassed for the
Independent. (Let me make it very clear that I do not wish this to be
interpreted as an attack on the music journalists of the indy who in my
opinion do a very decent job of covering local music (and I'm not just saying
that so chris toenes won't beat me up ;) )).

And its sort of hyprocritical for you to criticize Ross for not being
involved with the Indy Awards when the only outlet I see that the Indy's
created for people to be involved is a silly ballot. What was the nomination
process? Who are the "right people", Mark, who get to make the decision
about who gets to be on the silly ballot? They don't seem to be the people
who actually go to the rock shows, do they?

Finally, there is the problem with having awards in the first place, the
problem of the silly ballot. Why does the Indy want to create needless
competition in a community that thrives on cooperation and supportive
camraderie? Why can't the Indy just throw a music festival to highlight the
local scene? Perhaps the Indy is more concerned with touting what it wants
to be "the next big thing"? That is not what our local music community is
about.

sincerely,
phaedra

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Simonsen <fracas66 AT yahoo.com>
Sent: Oct 1, 2004 1:46 AM
To: RTP-area local music and culture <ch-scene AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: 23 Acts, 4 Stages = Sat Nite in Carrboro

It is exactly this kind of petty comment that makes the Chapel Hill
music scene seem so exclusive and cliquish. Why is it that every time people
in this community try to get together to do something GOOD, somebody has to
come along and completely trash it and the people who worked so hard to put
it together?
I have watched Catherine Kerr work tirelessly to promote our music
scene- much moreso than any other individual that I know (she is responsible
for curating the displays of local rock memoribilia throughout Carrboro). I
cannot sit back and have my friends be so thoughtlessly criticized when they
are generously and voluntarily contributing something GOOD to our community.
Cat does this because she loves music- same reason most of us are on this
list. But instead of sitting in front of a computer screen bitching and
moaning about every shakeup in the local status quo, she is actually out
there doing the shaking.
Sorry Grady (if that is who wrote the post to which I am responding).
What makes picking up the Independent so hard? It's FREE! It's at almost
every club in town. How much easier can it be? Do we really need our inboxes
choked up with the minutae of everyone's schedules?
So the Indy awards are not "Indy" enough for you? Well it's their first
year doing it. Maybe you can get involved next time and make it better.
Your band didn't make it onto the ballot? Maybe you didn't play in front
of the right people. Maybe you didn't do enough leg work (running a band is
hard work and takes a lot of time). Or maybe your band just plain sucks.
It's enough to make a person want to simply bid this listserve a fond
farewell. (By the way- i have never heard your band should you actually have
one so the statement about your band "sucking" is completely hypothetical).
grady <grady AT ibiblio.org> wrote:
Oh, I get it. Yr high-priced communication-consultant brain says "if I
post the full lineup here, I'll have no reason to tell them to pick up a
copy of the paper."

Tell me, who was the one with the brilliant idea to not print any
biographical information about the nominees until *after* the voting was
over? I'm sure there was some strategic thinking behind that one as
well, but I can't quite suss it out.

Probably the same person who didn't think to post MP3s of the nominated
songs to the website . . . heaven forbid anyone get to hear what they're
voting for.


catherine kerr wrote:

> Have Fun / Great Bands on Sat Nite - All this and more will be had at the
> Indy Music Awards - Sat, Oct 2nd from 6-1
> Tickets are $10 at the ArtsCenter and the Cat's Cradle.
> Check the complete schedule in this week's Indy.
> COME...support yourselves and your friends.
>
> www.indymusicawards.com
>
>
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