Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand discussion

[Danyl Strype <strypey AT disintermedia.net.nz>]

Kia ora koutou

(Putting my moderator hat on for a moment)

On 9 December 2012 01:27, Sutherland, Paul <Paul.Sutherland AT ccc.govt.nz> 
wrote:
>> Oh come on - get over it all. This is not that bad. <<

Paul, in acknowledgement of the context preference you've expressed, I
have included the full text of the email you sent below. Perhaps you
could read it again, and reflect on how the same points could have
been made in a less antagonistic fashion? Just saying.

>> Selective quoting loses context - what makes a conversation - <<

Fair point. However, I don't know about you, but I seldom read more
than 1 email deep in a long chain of replies. I respectfully suggest
that when you top post (being your reply above the full text of the
message to which you are replying), you trim off the rest of the chain
of replies, signatures, list footers etc. This is a great kindness to
those whose email client presents the whole discussion thread on one
page to give them context.

>> I know there are two thoughts - mine is that an email conversation should 
>> be able to retain context without having to refer to an hidden archive - 
>> e.g. the previous thread - you could at least quote that - 
>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-nz/2012-December/000879.html  <<

Point taken, but I have to says it's disingenuous to refer to a
"hidden archive", then provide a link to that very public archive.

>> If your spamcatcher is a problem you should get a better one that trying 
>> to change my preferences. <<

It's not my spamcatcher, it's cc-nz's spamcatcher. It catches any
email over a certain size because they're usually spam, and it's only
because this list has very diligent admins that your massively
top-posted email didn't sit in the moderation que all weekend.

Naku noa
Strypey

----quoted message sent by Paul-----

Oh come on - get over it all. This is not that bad. Using ascendant
channels to promote a cause is a basic promotion and marketing
strategy,

As I mentioned in my previous post the Creative Commons has a Facebook Page.

>>Creative Commons has a Facebook page - as all modern organisations should.
>>http://www.facebook.com/creativecommons
>>
>>They have over 81,000 likes.

And as they say on Radio New Zealand National - you do not to have a
Facebook account to view.
So you will be ok - no one will be watching you - I am sure you will
have all cookies disabled already

Selective quoting loses context - what makes a conversation - I know
there are two thoughts - mine is that an email conversation should be
able to retain context without having to refer to an hidden archive -
e.g. the previous thread - you could at least quote that -
https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/cc-nz/2012-December/000879.html I
guess that what you mean by top post - too lazy to look it up in the
evil Google search box to find a free (but open to manipulation, hey
and we need your donation) Wikipedia article (that I may disagree
with). If your spamcatcher is a problem you should get a better one
that trying to change my preferences.

I imagine that you will spend a lot of time worrying about all the
stuff that could go wrong - but

Surely the question is not should CC-NZ have a Facebook page (like the
CC Uber has)


But what is it going to be - and how is it sustained and fed.

Oh yeah but I already said that

>>There is no reason why CC Aoteoroa and CC_NZ licenses should not have a 
>>Facebook presence.
>>Surely it is really a matter of defining what the personality of that 
>>presence should be, and the nature of the posts.

>> How about using a tool like IFTTT https://ifttt.com/wtf to automate
>> some of the posts...

//paul  ;-}

p.s.

And really what is wrong with Microsoft Windows? - I bet you know lots
of people (heaps) that would not to be able to have any engagement
with the digital world if they did not use MS Windows or IOS.

----quoted message ends---

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Danyl Strype
Community Developer
Disintermedia.net.nz/strype

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