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- From: adam <adam AT xs4all.nl>
- To: cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source
- Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:18:30 +0200
On 07/04/12 04:52, Mike Linksvayer wrote:
Through practice. Which, I believe is what adam (Hyde, of FLOSS
Manuals) does -- many of FM books are under GPL. This seems like a
good place to practice practice, as the preferred modifiable forms are
pretty obvious. I believe
http://www.booki.cc/a-webpage-is-a-book/free-content/ is his current
writing on the matter. If I were adam I'd want some form of one-way BY
and BY-SA compatibility with GPL rather than adding source
requirements to CC licenses.*
(hi - mike, you might know me by this email address - it is adamh :)
I would normally agree but we must also admit that licenses are not just licenses. CC as a meme is on one level a primary marketing vehicle for free culture. The GPL, as much as I love it, is not seen as a player in this greater context - it is seen as exclusively married to software. FLOSS Manuals uses the GPL for books and I believe it *is* the right license for source requirements for us but I can't tell you how many people write to me almost on a monthly basis asking why we use a software license for culture. Many of them get agitated when I tell them the GPL is not just a software license. They simply don't believe me no matter how many references I send them.
I do not believe you can convince even a small minority of software devs that the GPL can be applied to other content - they will not believe you. I also don't believe you can convince culture and knowledge workers in the greater sense - that the GPL is not a software license. I have tried repeatedly and the message does not float.
So, it might be a point to argue that this is the FSFs problem - get a better marketing team - but promoting the GPL for non-software works is by and large not their mandate as they see it.
CC on the other hand has a strong hold in this area and I would argue that mindshare in this discussion is as important as the terms of the license themselves. In that light I really believe it is both necessary and possible to make a source requirement in the CC licenses.
A source requirement might be stated together with something like "unless otherwise stated the artifact provided is to be considered to be the source". This avoids the complex 'what is a source' but it does place the emphasis on the license holder to consider what the source is and the mechanical requirements of licenses that allow derivatives.
adam
Mike
* Yes I realize the tension
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
Rob Myers, 04/07/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
zotz, 04/07/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, Antoine Pitrou, 04/07/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
Valentin Villenave, 04/07/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, Francesco Poli, 04/08/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, Francesco Poli, 04/07/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, Dave Crossland, 04/07/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
zotz, 04/07/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, Francesco Poli, 04/07/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
Christopher Allan Webber, 04/06/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
Mike Linksvayer, 04/06/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
adam, 04/07/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
Francesco Poli, 04/07/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
Rob Myers, 04/08/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, Francesco Poli, 04/09/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
zotz, 04/08/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, adam, 04/09/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, adam, 04/09/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, Francesco Poli, 04/09/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, drew Roberts, 04/11/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, Francesco Poli, 04/11/2012
- Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source, zotz, 04/11/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
Rob Myers, 04/08/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
Francesco Poli, 04/07/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
adam, 04/07/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
Mike Linksvayer, 04/06/2012
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Re: [cc-licenses] derivatives and source,
Rob Myers, 04/07/2012
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