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[James Miller <jamtat AT mailsnare.net>]

Steven: did you note that Opera has come out with a new Linux beta - 7.10?
Seems like a chance that the bugs you were encountering in 6.XX may have
gotten worked out in that release.  Are you planning on trying it?  I may
give it a try.

Still haven't gotten much done on Skipstone, but am preparing to do so.
Just a clarification: Mozilla is needed only for compiling Skipstone,
right?  If so, once one has compiled it, one could just get rid of
Mozilla it seems.

Finally, I wonder if the browser ViewML might be worth looking into.  It's
in quite early stages of development, but it's based on KFM - the old KDE
file browser - so it's got some development behind it already.  It says it
does minimal javascripting, and renders html 3.2.  It's quite small -
under 2MB, I believe.  One needs to install another package to get this to
compile - ftkl or something like that.  The URL for the ViewML site is
http://www.viewml.com . It's being developed for embedded devices, as far
as I can tell.

More later.

James
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, sindi keesan wrote:
> attachments.  Has anyone tried Pine, Mutt or Elm with BL2?  My ISP does
> not support IMAP  - does Pine require that?
>
I installed Elm on BL2 and it runs "out of the box" (no dependency
problems).  However I have been unable to use it because it relies on
sendmail, fetchmail, MTA's and the sort of technical things I have yet to
figure out.  I was kind of hoping I could fetch popmail with it like I do
with Pine and Mutt.  If one knows how to configure all that stuff, Elm
should work fine on BL2, though.  I think Pine would encounter dependency
problems since it uses SSL libraries, as I recall.  Maybe Mutt would have
similar problems.  I have not tried either of the former on BL2, though
I'd like to try out Pine.  Pine does either IMAP or POP3.

James
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> > The other problem is that after exiting Netscape, I could not 
> > enter any commands in the xterm 

Most of the time this does not happen, in fact I have not been able to
make it happen again.


> 
> You probably had a clean exit of Netscape.  
> 
> When you used it online, it probably started a sub-process that
> was not cleanly exited.  For example, Netscape sometimes displays
> a warning message in a separate window.  It is possible that you 
> didn't see that window (perhaps because there was no wm).  If you
> don't click the OK in the message window, you won't get a clean 
> exit.

I ran Netscape at the same site with and without fvwm.  Both times I got
the same two separate windows (which would not go away without a mouse,
but I could exit cleanly after removing just the second). One wanted me to
download Macromedia Flash Plugin.  The other was some warning about host
(none) and DNS numbers and $SOCK_NS pointing to the wrong place, which I
did not understand, but it said I might not be able to access all hosts,
which might explain why Netscape is not reading my mail.  Or giving me
anything but a blank page at any site looked at after the webmail site
(even sites that worked before that). I will worry about this on some
other computer with BL2.  Perhaps Netscape is set up to look for its
configuration in KDE on the SuSE computer.  

Anyway, I still don't see any need for a window manager if I will be
running only one X program.

Can you set up X so that it will display at more than 640 resolution on an
SVGA color monitor but also work on a 9" mono VGA monitor?  You mentioned
something about the screen being larger than the display.  I presume I
would have to be careful about refresh rates not being greater than the
mono monitor could handle, but it does not hurt the monitor to be plugged
into a card that does 1600 resolution or 16 million colors as long as you
don't tell it to put out the wrong output (in DOS).  
.