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  • From: Jonathan Mohler <jonathan.mohler AT gmail.com>
  • To: John Leake <jesleake AT yahoo.co.uk>
  • Cc: "b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>, "michaelgburk AT yahoo.com" <michaelgburk AT yahoo.com>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ובלחם
  • Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:10:04 -0500

Nice!
Nothing like comparative linguistics. 
So, is segolization of the noun restricted to Hebrew.  I am just now finishing BH 4, and have not taken cognate languages yet.  I am taking Ugaritic next semester.

Thanks for the correction,

Jonathan Mohler

On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:57 PM, John Leake wrote:

The trouble is that the basic idea of laHm (i.e. Hebrew leHem, Aramaic laHmā, Phoenician lHm, Ugaritic laHmu, Arabic laHmun) is 'food', not 'bread'. In our earliest comparative, Ugaritic, the qal laHama is 'to eat', the šap'ila (=Hebrew hiph'îl) šalHima is 'to feed'. 

John
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ان صاحب حياة هانئة لا يدونها انما يحياها
He who has a comfortable life doesn't write about it - he lives it
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On 11 Apr 2013, at 22:42, Jonathan Mohler <jonathan.mohler AT gmail.com> wrote:

George and Mike:

My theory is that there is only one root, להם.  This original root is "to beat," hence "to fight." The idea of beating dough or kneading leads to the noun, lechem, bread.  Subsequently the a new verb arises as lacham, to have bread with someone.  A branching off from the original root, rather than two homonyms.

Jonathan E. Mohler



The verb 'to fight' is לחם. But it not from the same word root as the word for bread. There are two Hebrew roots לחם:

  1. לחם: to fight
  2. לחם: to eat a meal with someone (eg. Prov 23.1).
The word for bread is related to the second of these roots, but not the first. The two roots just happen to be homonyms but with different meanings (like English tease, which can mean either to make fun of, or to pull/comb out).

You can see when there are homonymous roots in a lexicon by the fact that they usually prefix a Roman numeral before the root (eg. I לחם and II לחם). Thus, for example, you'll notice that the root ענה has four entries.


GEORGE ATHAS
Dean of Research,
Moore Theological College (moore.edu.au)
Sydney, Australia

From: Mike Burke <michaelgburk AT yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Mike Burke <michaelgburk AT yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, 11 April 2013 3:09 PM
To: George Athas <george.athas AT moore.edu.au>, B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ובלחם

Thank you.

The sources I've checked seem to say that this word is derived from a word meaning "fight," or "war."

Doesn't that seem kinda odd?

Does it indicate ancient food wars or cannibalism?

Michael Burke

P.S. I haven't added an automated signature yet, but thank you.


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