Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Chavoux Luyt <chavoux AT gmail.com>]

Shalom Rolf

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> From: "Rolf" <rolf.furuli AT sf-nett.no>
> To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:12:31 +0100
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Tense
> Dear Chavoux,
>
> Se my comments below.
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> RF: Regardless of our view of the Classical Hebrew verbal system we must 
> study the text that we have. There are many orthographical variations, but 
> if we accept the dates given in the different books; thus accepting that 
> the text was written down over a period of several hundred years, the text 
> is remarkably uniform.  If we take bad grammar into consideration, each 
> scholar must, when he detects a clause that contradicts a particular view, 
> ask whether this may be caused by bad grammar. We can illustrate the 
> situation by looking at some of the examples above and the use of the 
> negation L(.
>
> Judges 6:4 tells us three things, which are connected wit WAW (and): And 
> they camped (WAYYIQTOL), and they destroyed (WAYYIQTOL),  and they did not 
> let anything remain (YIQTOL). The reason for the use of YIQTOL is that the 
> verb is preceded by WAY+negation. if the negation was removed, the WAW 
> would have been prefixed to the YIQTOL and would probably have been pointed 
> as a WAYYIQTOL.
>
> Daniel 12:8 tells us three thing which are connected with WAW (and): And I 
> heard (QATAL), and I did not understand (WAW+ negation+ YIQTOL), and I said 
> (WAYYIQTOL with paragogic he). The explanation is the same; if the negation 
> was removed, the WAW would have been prefixed to the YIQTOL  and would 
> probably have been pointed as a WAYYIQTOL.
>
> 2 Samuel 22:38-39 tells us seven things which are connected wit WAW (and): 
> And I pursued (YIQOL), and I  destroyed (WAYYIQTOL), and I did not turn 
> (WAW+negation+YIQTOL) and I finished (WAYYIQTOL), and I crushed 
> (WAYYIQTOL), and they could not rise (WAW+NEGATION+YIQTOL), and they fell 
> (WAYYIQTOL). here we have the same situation as in the two other examples. 
> Note also the clause-initial YIQTOL.
>
> 2 Samuel 2:28 and 1 Samuel 1:13 follow the same pattern. Can the use of the 
> YQTOLs in these cases be caused by bad grammar? I see no reason for that, 
> because the same pattern is followed in all the examples, and it is a 
> logical pattern. There is no temporal differences between the WAYYIQTOLs 
> and the YIQTOLs, and why should there be any aspectual diffrence? The 
> YIQTOLs rather than WAYYIQTOLs are used for syntactical (pragmatic) 
> reasons, because they are preceded by a negation that prevents the WAW  to 
> be prefixed to the verb.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Rolf Furuli
> Stavern
> Norway
Thanks Rolf, I think I understand you better now. Do I understand you
correctly, that in _narrative_ (i.e. typically starting with QATAL and
then continuing with WAYIQTOLS) when there are "inbetween" words, like
LO, the WAYIQTOL changes to a W'"inbetween word" YIQTOL, with
basically the same meaning as "WAYIQTOL" (but _not_ the same meaning
as YIQTOL without waw - possibly followed with WAQATAL)?

Regards
Chavoux Luyt