Biblical Hebrew Forum

[David Kolinsky <yishalom AT sbcglobal.net>]

Karl,

Since Sarai, Sarah, and Yisrael are all based on the root SRH lets look at 
that only for now.

SRH to fix upon:  
in wrestling there are takedowns, controls (holds), and reversals - 
in Hebrew "the hold" is described by the verb SRH to wrestle  (Gn32:29), 
(Hs12:4); 
the reversals and takedowns by ?BQ (entangle with eachother) to wrestle 
(Gn32:25,26) 

ShWR means (hold firmly in one's sights)  to get a fix on (see) 
(Nm23:9,24:17)(Hs14:9)(Jb,7:8,17:15,20:9,24:15,33:14,34:29,35:13)(SoS4:8)
to behold (Jb36:24) in Polael
 
S?R in Arabic = set out, move along, march, get going, be headed for s.th, be 
directed / oriented, be guided by; route

ShRR = to direct (Jb37:3) 
 
?ShR = to go intentionally / directly (Pr9:16);  (Pr4:14) ; 
to direct, lead (Is3:12;9:15)(Pr23:19)  
to be directed / led (Is9:15) 

ShRyR(hold firm) muscle (Jb40:16) 

YShR = straight


The sense of all of these words is "to hold firm" 
in some cases physically: to wrestle, muscle
in others visually.  When you hold something firmly visually, we call that 
FOCUSING.

When we follow our focus, we go directly, intently, and straight toward 
something.

Tell me something, did I fabricate anything here?  Perhaps, you can still 
disagree with my conclusions as to what the names mean, but SRH, ShWR, SRR, 
ShRR, ?ShR, YShR, mean these things.  

Sincerely

David Kolinsky
Monterey, CA
--- On Sat, 9/17/11, K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com> wrote:

From: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] a much bigger and relevant issue not exactly about 
Caleb
To: "David Kolinsky" <yishalom AT sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "B-Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Saturday, September 17, 2011, 8:20 PM

David:

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:51 PM, David Kolinsky <yishalom AT sbcglobal.net> 
wrote:

George,



Not necessarily in support of Jim , but about what you wrote:



"...assume/demand that people be named at birth for something they do later 
in life. THAT does not make sense."



… a characters names matching their achievements later in life makes perfect 
sense.  If this were not the case then why are so many characters so 
frequently having their names changed in the context of the story. 


Characters changing their name was quite rare in Tanakh. In fact, this 
message here may list all of them.
Where do you get the definitions you claim? 



Avram = exalted father AND  one whose willingness (to engage life ) is 
elevated 
Avraham = one who spread his wings [?BR] in pursuit of stirring experiences 
[HMH]

This name could very well be connected with roots that have long been 
forgotten. 



Sarai = one who focuses on many things (distractedly)

Sarah = one who focuses on one particular thing [SRH]

Where do you get this “focusing” from? More than one root is possible for 
both names.



YaaQoV = one who grabs on to a thing, and examines and follows, traces a 
thing, with critical thinking (see Arabic)

This name mean “crooked” as in dealing crookedly, see Genesis 27:36.
 
Yisrael = one who remains focused on G-d / what advances forward [SRH]

Again “focusing”? There are two or three roots that could fit here, none of 
which fits your definitions here.



AND YES I KNOW THAT YOU ALL BELIEVE THAT MY ETYMOLOGIES ARE MORE THAN A 
STRETCH AND SO YOU IGNORE MY POSTS, BUT REALLY DO YOU EVER EVEN STOP TO 
CONSIDER THEM, OR DO YOU JUST DISREGARD THEM OUT OF HAND


As a lexicographer, I find most of them unbelievable. Yes, I have written a 
dictionary from Biblical Hebrew to English, part of my personal studies. 
Thus, I find that most of your etymologies are stretched beyond the breaking 
point.



No offense meant to anyone on the list, but perhaps your belief in the 
paradigm taught to you prevents you from looking close enough to see what is 
being said.

Being mostly self-taught, I am following what I notice in the text and 
language. Not having been indoctrinated into any particular school of 
scholarship, I am free to call it as I see it. My call here is that your 
definitions are wide of the mark.



With respect,



David Kolinsky

Monterey CA


Karl W. Randolph. 


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Melchizedek was not the only non-Israelite priest to be mentioned favorably. 
There are also Jethro, priest of Midian, and Potiphera priest of On. But all 
three are non-Israelite and pre-Sinai. In other words, either only Israelite 
priest must be Aaronide, but gentiles, if they are in fact priests of God, of 
course would not have to be, or non-Aaronides were okay so long as Aaron had 
not yet been consecrated, but once he was, only he and his descendants could 
be priests. Take your choice. 


Yigal Levin

-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Vance [mailto:donaldrvance AT mac.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:01 AM
To: Yigal Levin
Cc: b-hebrew
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] 2 Samuel 8:18 “khmym”

It seems to me that Psalm 110 comes into play here as well, since it 
specifies a non-Aaronic priesthood as having YHWH's approval. Interesting 
stuff. 

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Donald R. Vance
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