Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>]

I effortlessly dismiss this "effort" thing, which is effortlessly  
generated in the imagination (i-make-ination). The piel form is just  
a root + two inner personal pronouns; one for the perpetrator of the  
act, and the other for the receiver of the act.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Jan 31, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. wrote:

> here, unlike fred's example, the scribe had to choose between two  
> different nikuds for the same exact word:
> the neutral KAL and the more emphatic PIEL.   i figure the scribe's  
> logic was this:
>
> in isaiah, god breaks. using PIEL might imply that god needed to  
> make an effort, so kal was used.
>
> in exodus, the hail breaks the trees. to make the breaking effect  
> more dramatic, the more emphatic
> piel was used.
>
> nir cohen
>
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:35:57 -0500, Isaac Fried wrote
> > You may equally well ask Why does the masoretic text employ the  
> form $ABAR in Isaiah 14:5, but the form $IBER in Ex. 9:25? Do they  
> differ in meaning? The answer to this is, methinks, not maybe, but  
> an unequivocal no.
> >
> > Isaac Fried, Boston University
> >
> > On Jan 31, 2011, at 6:24 PM, fred burlingame wrote:
> > > I can sympathize with the physician and the attorney, since the  
> > future
> > > cannot be known with certainty. But here, we are dealing with  
> > past events,
> > > the 1000 year old masoretic text. And yet no one appears willing  
> > to say:
> > > "the masoretic text employs two verb forms "yiqtol" and "qatal,"  
> > rather than
> > > one verb form, for the following reason:  ...... "
> > >
> > > It seems to me the reason for it (two, versus one, verb forms), is
> > > susceptible to both identification and articulation in a  
> > sentence or two.
> > >
> > >
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