Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Kevin Riley <klriley AT alphalink.com.au>]

Fred

Most histories of the texts would answer your questions - some in more 
detail than anyone could ever want.

Kevin Riley

On 27/12/2010 11:52 AM, fred burlingame wrote:
> Hello Bryant:
>
> That's exactly my point. The first two codices were discovered in egypt; and
> the third discovered in rome. The documents appear completely and entirely
> written in greek language, unlike the dead sea scrolls discovered in judah
> and written 80 percent in hebrew.
>
> The question then arises; why is the first 2/3's (OT) of these
> codices automatically assumed a translation from biblical hebrew language;
> and the last 1/3 of the documents (NT) automatically concluded as the
> original language greek?
>
> That division of language origin suffers significantly at the hands of
> hebrew language synagogue services in 20 a.d. .... galilee.
>
> And then of course, approximately 2/3's of the NT involves quotations from
> and references to OT.
>
> http://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/NTCHART.HTM
>
> regards,
>
> fred burlingame
>
> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Bryant J. Williams III<bjwvmw AT com-pair.net
> > wrote:
> >   Dear Fred,
> >
> > Regarding your #5.
> >
> > The Codices Alexandrinus, Sinaiticus and Vaticanus were combined LXX for
> > the OT and Koine Greek for the NT.
> >
> > Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >   *From:* fred burlingame<tensorpath AT gmail.com>
> > *To:* Bryant J. Williams III<bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>
> > *Cc:* George Athas<George.Athas AT moore.edu.au>  ; 
> > B-Hebrew<b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> >   *Sent:* Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:19 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [b-hebrew] Was the MT for public consumption?
> >
> >    Hello Bryant:
> > ?
> > Thanks for your informative comments.
> > ?
> > 1. I only mention the term "faith" in order to mark the boundary of this
> > forum. I understand the border of this list includes "fact."
> > ?
> > 2. Your statement that the scroll of isaiah?would have been?read in
> > biblical?hebrew language?to the synagogue?congregation in
> > galilee,?approximately?20 a.d.; and that the congregation would
> > have?understood the reading in hebrew, fluently .... goes to the heart of
> > the matter. A most significant statement indeed.
> > ?
> > 3. This instructor of hebrew concludes the funeral of biblical hebrew had
> > not occurred in 20 a.d. see chapters v&  vi.
> > ?
> > http://www.adath-shalom.ca/rabin_he.htm
> > ?
> > 4. Likewise, this author so concludes mishnaic?hebrew continued as a common
> > spoken language in 20 a.d.
> > ?
> > http://www.adath-shalom.ca/history_of_hebrew.htm#PostExH''
> > ?
> > 5. "2" - "4" above weigh heavy indeed on the forbidden question. ..... Was
> > the last 1/3 of codices alexandrinus, sinaiticus and vaticanus .......
> > originally composed in the hebrew language .....? And "2" - "4" above?imply
> > that the affirmative?answer to that question?involves?"fact" rather
> > than?"faith."?
> >
> > regards,
> > ?
> > fred burlingame
> > ?
> > ?
> >    On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Bryant J. Williams III<
> > bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>  wrote:
> >
> > >    Dear Fred,
> > > ?
> > > Read my post again. It answers most of your questions.
> > > ?
> > > Now, regarding your second point. Modern scholarship is divided over
> > > whether there were one, two or three Isaiahs. Conservative scholarship
> > > treats Isaiah being produced by one person, the prophet Isaiah. Most modern
> > > scholarship treats Isaiah as being written by two, maybe three persons. It
> > > is based on the discredited JEDP theory of Graf-Welhausen. SEE archives for
> > > previous discussions. I gave you a very brief discussion. I will not comment
> > > further since it is going into areas limited by List guidelines. Remember,
> > > ALL we have is the text. To go beyond that is to give a pre-text which is no
> > > text at all. Basically, it is eisegesis not exegesis.
> > > ?
> > > It appears that you are making the classic dichotomy between faith and
> > > fact. Faith and knowledge go hand in hand. Both are intuitive, intellectual
> > > and experiential. Both are used in determing fact from fiction.
> > > Unfortunately, too many people think that if something is stated by reason
> > > of faith that it is automatically fiction. As I said, "Faith and knowledge
> > > go hand in hand." Faith, belief, or trust is used in when determining the
> > > value placed in a document that is being used as a source whether it speaks
> > > of fact or fiction. Knowledge will lead a person so far. Faith takes up
> > > where knowledge leads off. It looks at what is presented before with
> > > knowledge and proceeds from there. This is not rocket science.
> > > ?
> > > You seem to be questioning a lot of the presuppositions that are inherent
> > > in what has gone before. This is always good to a certain extant. But,
> > > sometimes, it could be construed as being?pedantic or just arguing for
> > > argument sakes. An example would be when I teach the High Schoolers or
> > > College Age or, even, the Adults in Sunday School, or in the preaching
> > > services, I make several statements. First, I am a Christian. Second, I am a
> > > Baptist. I then ask the group that I am teaching or preaching to, "If you
> > > claim to be a Christian, 'Why are you a Christian?'" "If you are a Baptist,
> > > Why are you a Baptist?'"?Give the reasons for your claims. This appears to
> > > me is what you are doing on the list. If I am wrong, then please correct me
> > > and accept my apologies. In fact, I may have inadvertantly exceeded List
> > > Guidelines. To the moderators, If I have please accept my apologies.
> > > ?
> > > Now, Luke 4 and the use of Isaiah 61 in the Synagogue of Nazareth. It is
> > > clear that Jesus read from the Hebrew text (See Commentary on the NT Use of
> > > the OT). He sat down and proclaimed that the Scripture passage was
> > > fulfilled. It is also apparent that the congregation was being read to and
> > > that they understood the Hebrew (at least according to all the evidence from
> > > antiquity and archaeology). It is also possible, maybe probable, that it was
> > > read in Hebrew, translated into Aramaic for the congregation. That is why I
> > > told George that it is more than likely both/and not either/or.
> > > ?
> > > Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
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