Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud AT wanadoo.fr>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barry" <nebarry AT verizon.net>
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Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Blau's explanation for how ultimate stress became 
inHebrew


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud AT wanadoo.fr>
> To: "Barry" <nebarry AT verizon.net>; <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Blau's explanation for how ultimate stress became 
> inHebrew
>
>
> > > ***
> > > Happens all the time in ancient Greek and Latin.
> > >
> > > N.E. Barry Hofstetter
> > ***
> >
> > Barry,
> >
> >
> > Could you please provide examples of this "happening all the time" 
> > process?
> >
> >
> > Many Thanks.
>
> C'est pas d'probleme, mon amis (like my pseudo-French?),
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"Ce n'est pas un problème, mon ami." would be better, as far as std. French 
is concerned.
I'm ok with your pseudo-French, but I'm going to suggest std French, if you 
don't mind std French.
Actually I'm a native speaker of Northern French dialect but I nevertheless 
think there's no reason to wreak havoc with std. French.
So I'll keep suggesting std. French transcriptions.
A.
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> I love talking about Latin and Greek on a list devoted to Hebrew.
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I'll let the Moderators decide what is ok or not.
I have no legitimacy to decide otherwise.
A.
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> In Latin, the stress accent is alway remains on the first syllable of the 
> word.
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"is alway remains"
Glurps.
Please confirm.
I have not been taught that language at school.
A.
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This rule is further qualified, however:
> 1) in word of three syllables or more, if all the vowels are short, the 
> accent always remains on the antepenult.
>
> 2) if the penult is long in a word of three syllables or more, it gets the 
> stress.
>
> So, a`mo, but ama`mus (because the second a is long).
>
> Now, lets take a good example that has more than one long syllable, 
> *mobilitas* (both the o and a are long).  The stress accent falls on the 
> antepenult (since the i of the penult is short), but the o and the a 
> remain long.  Or take the genitive singular of the word:
>
> mobilitatis
>
> The stress accent now shifts to the penult (because that a is long) but 
> the o does not shorten.
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Erh

The original issue is about short vowels becoming long when pre-tonic!?

This word does not address this issue at all.

A.
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> I can prove it from Greek, too, if you like.
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Please do.

A.
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