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  • From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
  • To: Garth Grenache <garthgrenache AT hotmail.com>
  • Cc: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Short and long vowels
  • Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:24:00 -0400

I don't believe in the schwa mobile (NA). I see every schwa as a lack of vowel.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Garth Grenache wrote:

Isaac Fried> I don't believe in short and long vowels.

Oh well!


Isaac Fried> They don't exist now...

In Modern Hebrew?
They do exist in Arabic.


Isaac Fried> ...and there is no reason for them to have existed before.

There is no reason OR you are yet to identify a reason?

Do you think that shewa was as long as the rest?


Isaac Fried>Prof. Blau seems to have a lively imagination.

A brilliant imagination, I agree :)
And what matters is that he doesn't just stop with imaginative theories, but demonstrates their soundness with examples from the language.



On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Garth Grenache wrote:

>>Would you like me to give Blau's explanation for how ultimate stress became in Hebrew?
Isaac Friend>What is it?

Blau suggests four stages of stress from ProtoHebrew/ProtoSemitic to Hebrew:

i. Perhaps second-last syllable (penult) is stressed in words containing only short vowels; otherwise the last long vowel was stressed, which was often also the penult.
ii. General penultimate stress.
iii. Loss of final short vowels in most verbs and nouns leaves the stress on last syllable (ultima).
iv. Some words with penultimate stress which retained long final vowels, had their stress also moved to the ultima, e.g. sha:-mA-ra:- >sha:-ma-rA: -> sha:me-rA: (pausal retains original vowel and its penultimate accent shamA:ra: because it was lengthened in pause)


Garth Grenache, Australia







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