Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Yodan" <yodan AT yodanco.com>]

Pere, 

 

I do agree with you that ASHPA has the two meanings you mentioned. According
to Even Shoshan Concordance, the Tanakh has 13 occurrences of Ashpa
(including its plurals) – 6 of which have the meaning “case for arrows” and
the other seven are “refuse heap”. 

 

However, according to this concordance, the noun in all of these occurrences
is feminine. 

 

The Gesenius (Brown, Driver, and Briggs) Biblical Hebrew Dictionary, divides
these words into two groups. The first one, Ashpa, meaning “case for
arrows”, is listed as a feminine noun. The second one is listed under the
root Shin.Pei.Hei, meaning “refuse heap”, where the gender is stated as
possibly masculine – written as [m] (i.e. M in square brackets). 

 

Do you have other sources for the gender of these words?

 

Also, does Ashpot need to be a singular masculine in the verses you
mentioned? Why can’t it be the plural of Ashpa? 

The way these words are listed in the Even Shoshan Concordance it is clear
that this concordance considered Ashpot to be the plural of Ashpa. 

The Mandelkern Concordance also lists Ashpot and Ashpatot as a plural (but
the gender is not indicated).

 

Rivka Sherman-Gold

 

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From: Pere Porta [mailto:pporta7 AT gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:28 PM
To: yodan AT yodanco.com
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?

 

Rivka,

 

yes, you're right if we deal with the formal appearance of the word, namely
the form we see and read...

But in its use in 1Sa 2:8; Psa 113:7; Neh 3:14 and other places this noun is
used as a singular masculine. 

Remark that in these verses  A$POT has no meaning related to that of A$PFH,
quiver for arrows (Job 39:23).

 

Maybe it is a plural feminine fossilized form? It is possible. 

But... that is used in the forementioned verses as a singular masculine with
a quite different meaning from that of A$PFH...

 

You will agree with me that a quiver for arrows has nothing to do with a
refuse-heap...

 

Pere Porta



 

On 21 February 2010 22:38, Yodan <yodan AT yodanco.com> wrote:

Pere Porta wrote: "Now, regarding "A$POT",… its is a masculine noun meaning
*refuse-heap, a beggar's resting place.*"

 

Ashpa is a feminine noun. Ashpot and Ashpatot are plural forms of the
feminine noun Ashpa.

 

Rivka Sherman-gold

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:38 PM
To: Doug Belot
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?

 

> 

> > Dear list members,

> >

> > I had many situations over the years where I couldn't find a word in

> > Abraham Even-Shoshan concordance. The latest was when I tried to locate

> > "me'ashpatot yarim evyon" (can't remember where it is in the HB [has to

> be

> > a Psalm] or translate it) - ashpatot is not mentioned at all, only
ashpa,

> > and I could not find the verb yarim in any form, in any binyan. Is there

> a

> > better, really complete Hebrew concordance of the HB?

> >

> > thanks,

> >

> > Noam Eitan, Brooklyn, NY

> >

> 

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Dear Noam,

 

Several years ago I used the "Davidson", where every word that appears in

the Hebrew Bible is fully parsed, but I have it nor more on my desk. Maybe

you could acquire it... I think the full author's name is Benjamin Davidson.

 

 

Now, regarding "A$POT", I think it should be found in a usual Concordance

because it appears both in Psa 113:7 and in 1Sa 2:8: its is a masculine noun

meaning *refuse-heap, a beggar's resting place.*

 

I assume you know that the "M" in the beginning is the well known

preposition "MN", that means *from, since...*

**

Regarding "YFRYM" is comes from "RWM", *be high*. It is a Hiph'il form

(Imperfect, third person singular masculine)

Look at www.oham.net/out/PI-d/PI-d066.html

 

EBYWN I think you should find it in your dictionary: it is an adjective

meaning "(male) poor". It appears as such 15 times in the Bible.

 

Maybe this helps?

 

Hearty,

 

Pere Porta

(Barcelona, Catalonia, Span)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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