Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>]

To understand me you don't need to climb up, but rather to descend  
down to the very bottom of the Hebrew language.  All I am saying is  
that the root אשף is a variant of the root אסף 'collect'. and  
therefore אשפה is a collection, or a pile, of refuse as well as a  
collection of arrows.

Isaac Fried, Boston University.


On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Pere Porta wrote:

> Everything that is אסוף is אשפה
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
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> Dear Isaac,
>
> I'm afraid that me and 90 % to 99 % of members on this list do not  
> understand you.
>
> Are you able to come down from your hights and write in a way we  
> all can understand what you are saying?
>
> Pere Porta
> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain)
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Pere Porta wrote:
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> Rivka,
>
> yes, you're right if we deal with the formal appearance of the  
> word, namely
> the form we see and read...
> But in its use in 1Sa 2:8; Psa 113:7; Neh 3:14 and other places  
> this noun is
> used as a singular masculine.
> Remark that in these verses  A$POT has no meaning related to that  
> of A$PFH,
> *quiver for arrows* (Job 39:23).
>
> Maybe it is a plural feminine fossilized form? It is possible.
> But... that is used in the forementioned verses as a singular  
> masculine with
> a quite different meaning from that of A$PFH...
>
> You will agree with me that a *quiver for arrows* has nothing to do
> with a*refuse-heap
> *...
>
> Pere Porta
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> On 21 February 2010 22:38, Yodan <yodan AT yodanco.com> wrote:
>
>  Pere Porta wrote: "Now, regarding "A$POT",… its is a masculine noun
> meaning *refuse-heap, a beggar's resting place.*"
>
>
>
> Ashpa is a feminine noun. Ashpot and Ashpatot are plural forms of the
> feminine noun Ashpa.
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> Rivka Sherman-gold
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> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:
> b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Pere Porta
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:38 PM
> To: Doug Belot
> Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?
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> Dear list members,
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>
>
> I had many situations over the years where I couldn't find a word in
>
> Abraham Even-Shoshan concordance. The latest was when I tried to  
> locate
>
> "me'ashpatot yarim evyon" (can't remember where it is in the HB  
> [has to
>
> be
>
> a Psalm] or translate it) - ashpatot is not mentioned at all, only
> ashpa,
>
> and I could not find the verb yarim in any form, in any binyan. Is
> there
>
> a
>
> better, really complete Hebrew concordance of the HB?
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
>
> Noam Eitan, Brooklyn, NY
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> Dear Noam,
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>
>
> Several years ago I used the "Davidson", where every word that  
> appears in
>
> the Hebrew Bible is fully parsed, but I have it nor more on my  
> desk. Maybe
>
> you could acquire it... I think the full author's name is Benjamin
> Davidson.
>
>
>
>
>
> Now, regarding "A$POT", I think it should be found in a usual  
> Concordance
>
> because it appears both in Psa 113:7 and in 1Sa 2:8: its is a  
> masculine
> noun
>
> meaning *refuse-heap, a beggar's resting place.*
>
>
>
> I assume you know that the "M" in the beginning is the well known
>
> preposition "MN", that means *from, since...*
>
> **
>
> Regarding "YFRYM" is comes from "RWM", *be high*. It is a Hiph'il form
>
> (Imperfect, third person singular masculine)
>
> Look at www.oham.net/out/PI-d/PI-d066.html
>
>
>
> EBYWN I think you should find it in your dictionary: it is an  
> adjective
>
> meaning "(male) poor". It appears as such 15 times in the Bible.
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>
>
> Maybe this helps?
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> Hearty,
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> Pere Porta
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> apothnéskomen" (1Cor 15:32)