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- From: Yitzhak Sapir <yitzhaksapir AT gmail.com>
- To: Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?
- Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:14:37 +0200
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Randall Buth wrote:
>>> "Note well: the fem. singular suffix is -a. The "-h" was never pronounced.
> The older form of the singular suffix was *-at, which is why the
> poss.pron. have
> a 't' with them.">>
>>
>> Compare colloquial Arabic usage which is like Hebrew, to the standard
> classic Arabic used to to this day that retains this aspect of
> Proto-Semitic.
> ezov haqqir>
>
> I almost follow you, except that classical Arabic has a dual graph for this,
> the 'ta marbutta'. The Arabs wrote a 'h' shape just like BH, and then added
> two dots to show the 't' sound. When reading "full style, with the case
> ending", the 't' will be pronounced, but when reading without "i`raab" not
> only does the case ending drop, but the 't' as well. Again, just like the
> outcome in BH.
> The process was quite natural, phonetically, and took place in the
> Hebrew verb, too. *halakat > hal-xa.
> However, with verbs, both Aramaic and Arabic preserved the 't' sound.
>
> ezov haqqir-!-ve-tov lihyot zanab le-aryot millihyot rosh le-shu`alim
Actually, Arabic is the evidence that the -h was pronounced. It is hard to
explain why both Hebrew and Arabic chose to add an "h" type letter to
denote the feminine that alternates between t and h. Why wouldn't Arabic
choose something based on ta and alif? Furthermore, there is evidence
of rhymes. For a specific example of sura 98, you can see here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.lang/browse_thread/thread/80dff4f8cf5d1c53/131203c347a2097b#msg_131203c347a2097b
This evidence (rhymes etc) is also mentioned by Blau, "The Parallel
Development of the Feminine Marker." Blau also mentions that a weak
h is pronounced in some modern Arabic dialects. As you might guess,
Blau suggests that parallel processes in different languages contributed
to this situation, and does not suggest that the -h was pronounced in
Hebrew.
Yitzhak Sapir
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Yodan, 02/21/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Pere Porta, 02/22/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Yodan, 02/22/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?, Pere Porta, 02/22/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Isaac Fried, 02/22/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Pere Porta, 02/22/2010
- [b-hebrew] Crop your posts, George Athas, 02/22/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?, Isaac Fried, 02/22/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Pere Porta, 02/22/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Yodan, 02/22/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Pere Porta, 02/22/2010
- [b-hebrew] Better concordance?, Randall Buth, 02/22/2010
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[b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Randall Buth, 02/22/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Yitzhak Sapir, 02/22/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?, Kevin Riley, 02/22/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Yitzhak Sapir, 02/22/2010
- [b-hebrew] Better concordance?, Randall Buth, 02/22/2010
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[b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Randall Buth, 02/23/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?, Yigal Levin, 02/23/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Better concordance?,
Yodan, 02/21/2010
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