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  • From: Shoshanna Walker <rosewalk AT concentric.net>
  • To: "'Shoshanna Walker'" <rosewalk AT concentric.net>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17
  • Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:26:55 -0400

OK, Steve, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

Please quote to me where in the NT, G-d is directly speaking, or says He is directly speaking.

And you misquote me

I do not admit that the Oral Law never claimed to be the word of G-d - excuse me, yes I do - the Oral Law has no ontological being in order to proclaim itself the Word of G-d. But it is the Word of G-d, ie; that G-d gave a written and Oral Torah to Moshe, and I can prove it from the Torah itself, but we have had that conversation on this list, look it up in the archives.

And re your last sentence - read some of their biographies.

The Arizal's for instance.

Shoshanna



From: 'Shoshanna Walker'

So what do I, or any of us Jews who spend our time observing Torah
and learning it as best we can, each to our own ability, care what
Peter says?
[Steve Miller] your statement was that Romans does not claim to be the word
of God. I said that the New Testament does say it is the word of God.


They didn't have to claim it - they didn't have to prove themselves
to ignoramuses like me and you - they were living, breathing,
sleeping Torah!
[Steve Miller] Then you admit that the oral law never claimed to be the word
of God.

Also, I don't think these people were living, breathing and sleeping the
Torah. They were more likely living, breathing and sleeping commentaries
about the Torah, which is very different, and endless.
-Steve Miller
Detroit
www.voiceInWilderness.info


> From: Shoshanna Walker
>
> Romans is not the word of G-d, it doesn't even allege that.
[Steve Miller]
2 Peter 3:16 says that Paul's writings are Scripture.

Shoshanna,
Thank you for writing. Where do the Talmud, Mishnah and Rashi commentaries
claim to be the word of God?

I was raised Orthodox and went to Hebrew school and Hebrew college, and I
was not taught that the Talmud, Mishnah or Rashi were part of the word of
God. My mother told us that the Talmud was written by sages much wiser
than
us, but we did not believe that it was the word of God like the Tanach is.
I have talked to many rabbis, and I have never met any who believe like
you
seem to, that Rashi's commentary is the authoritative explanation of the
Tanach.

Here is a previous post on the subject by Yitzhak Saphir:
>>The idea that there is an oral law equally as authoritative as the
>>written law is highly dubious to me. You say that this prevents
>>mistranslation, but it allows the importation of every kind of merely
>>human idea and even perversion of God's word. God warns against adding
>>to his word, and a proposed "oral law" does just that. It presents
>>something as having the same authority as the written word, from what
>>you say, and thereby adds to God's word.

>However, Shoshanna's interpretation of Rashi and Midrash as part of this
>oral law is not shared by all Jews. It is an extreme interpretation that
>essentially says that Rashi or the Rabbis of the Midrash whom he often
>quotes was not a great scholar but simply a scribe who wrote something
>handed down to him from the days of Moses. While that may describe
>much of his work (much of Rashi is effectively quotes from the Midrash),
>he was also a great scholar and a true understanding of Rashi can only
>be achieved by seeing all his quoted sources (which are many!) and
>identifying which parts he chose to quote, which he chose not to quote,
>what he chose to add of his own, and answering why he chose to do what
>he did.
>>

Thanks,
-Steve Miller
Detroit
www.voiceInWilderness.info
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