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- From: Peter Kirk <peter AT qaya.org>
- To: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?
- Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:39:45 +0100
On 02/10/2006 06:28, K Randolph wrote:
...Precisely. And Hebrew has a good number of such examples, some of which can be proved from cognate languages (a means of proof which you seem happy to apply to Germanic languages) while others are more speculative.
Both examples you give above are the result of two different roots
that have converged in sound so as to sound the same, another example
being to/too/two. In Norwegian, for example, the two roots for "bear"
are still recognizable as "bære" and "bjørn" (older English "beorn"),
whereas German recognizes the difference between "liegen" and "lügen".
I expect that modern English has more examples like this than most
languages, seeing as it is a mish mash of languages. Similarly English
has many terms that have diverged from a single root into different
languages, then brought back into one language as separate terms.
...
When I look at a dictionary like BDB and find multiple meanings, IBut do you look at the evidence from cognate languages, which often proves that there are multiple roots behind this?
look for the action that is behind all its definitions, then in my
dictionary list that action. Of course I look more at a concordance
than a dictionary, because that gives me a list of its occurrences so
I can see how the term is actually used, not relying on the
interpretation of the lexicographer.
Take, for example, the word KRH, all its uses fit within the semanticIn this case, I can't be sure whether there was originally one root, but by the time of the separation of Hebrew and Arabic there was already a semantic split, for the root KRY in Arabic can apparently mean both "dig" and "let for hire". And if the division is this ancient it is probably best to treat these as separate words. Compare English "skirt" and "shirt", which are different words with different meanings although they derive from the same proto-Germanic.
domain of providing for as in preparing, setting up, giving
provisions. Some of the times that providing is by digging, once in
giving provisions to troops so that they would have the energy to
return home (in ancient times, armies were expected to live off the
land, hence were seldom provided with rations like a modern army. This
story is the case where the captured army was given provisions, then
sent home.), a couple times the provision was through purchase.
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Peter Kirk
E-mail: peter AT qaya.org
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
K Randolph, 10/01/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
Peter Kirk, 10/01/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
K Randolph, 10/02/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
Peter Kirk, 10/02/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?, K Randolph, 10/02/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
Peter Kirk, 10/02/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
K Randolph, 10/02/2006
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
Moshe Shulman, 10/01/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?, K Randolph, 10/01/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
sujata, 10/01/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
Peter Kirk, 10/01/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
sujata, 10/01/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?, Peter Kirk, 10/01/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
sujata, 10/01/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
Peter Kirk, 10/01/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?, Vadim Cherny, 10/03/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
Vadim Cherny, 10/03/2006
- [b-hebrew] a Hebrew / Egyptian translation question, Brian Roberts, 10/03/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 22:16 - daqar as pierced ?,
Peter Kirk, 10/01/2006
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