Biblical Hebrew Forum

["B. M. Rocine" <brocine AT twcny.rr.com>]

Hi Karl,

From your wordy post to Yitzak, it seems that you do not understand 
that one of the few ways we *attempt* to reconstruct ancient 
pronunciations of one language is by examining transcriptions of that 
language into a contemporary language.

May I suggest some basic reading in case you haven't already had a 
chance:  Saenz-Badillow, Angel.  _A History of the Hebrew Language_, 
Cambridge: Cambridge University, 1993.

One other thing:  In your post you demand "documentation" from before 
the 6th century BC that shin/sin could be differentiated.  Are you 
serious?  You can't mean that you want some ancient philologist to have 
written a certificate of such information.  You must mean "evidence" or 
"testimony"...except that Yitzak presented you with just such evidence, 
and you do not receive it.

I concur with Kirk's motion to end the thread.

Shalom,
Bryan

Karl Randolph wrote:
> Yitzhak:
>
> I have already answered the problem with the 
> execration texts, I will go into more detail here.
<snipped>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yitzhak Sapir" <yitzhaksapir AT gmail.com>
>
> > ...
> > I had brought evidence from the Execration Texts regarding the 
> > sh/th difference:
> > https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/b-hebrew/2005-September/026221.html
> >
> > As for Shin/Sin, Daniel Sivan's and Ziporah Cochavi-Rainey's "West Semitic
> > Vocabulary in Egyptian Script of the 14th to the 10th centuries BCE" notes:
> > Semitic & is represented in Egyptian by signs with s' and s, eg:
> > (a-s'-bu in GN [39, cf Heb (es'eb, Arabic (u$bu].
> > s'a'-(a'-ru' "hair" [187, cf Heb &e(ar, Arabic $a(r, $a(ar]
> > For further information and Bibliography see Sivan "Grammatical Analysis and
> > Glossary of the Northwest Semitic Vocables in Akkadian Texts of the 15th-13th
> > centuries BC from Canaan and Syria", AOAT 214.
> >
> > Semitic $ is expressed by Egyptian with $, eg.
> > ma-$:-)ab "scoop" (117) from *$)B
> > Ma-$a-)-la GN (Thut III, 39) Heb Mi$)al < Canaanite *Ma$)al
> > (a'-$a-q "to oppress" (40), Heb (a$aq, Arabic (a$aqa.
> >
> > Does this suffice?
> >
> > Yitzhak Sapir


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