Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

I had one from Noo Yauk. With her caufee. 

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From: "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>
> 
> I would be really interested in hearing you pronouncing flrt wrs etc.
> without a schewa. It's phonetically impossible.

Depends on how you pronounce the "r". It is possible with 
the American pronunciation.

> I have lots of American friends and I have never heard your claimed
> pronunciation of women. Women is pronounced 'wimin' not 'wumin'.

No, you got it wrong! It's pronounced "women" with the "o" 
like the "oul" in could, would or should, not "i", and the "e" 
as in men, again not a "i". This is from the MidWest 
pronunciation, which is considered the best American 
pronunciation. Of course you could be running into a 
bunch of dialectal mispronunciations, like those guys from 
Noo Yauk or Baastin.    ....    ;-)

Karl W. Randolph.

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Karl & Peter

The meaning in Arabic does not necessarily contradict what
I believe.  Moving from the core (1) of the lexical domain
to the periphery (6) would like this:

1 [mundane cut-slit-mutilate-dismember]

2 [ritual-cutting-dismemberment]+ [burning]

3 [dismemberment + burning] = ritual destruction

4 [ritual destruction = irrevocably sacrificed to Yahweh]

5 [sacrifice = sacrificed object separated from man,
irrevocably]

6 [metaphorical sacrifice = ritual of destruction without
physical destruction]

So, in the more peripheral uses of the lexeme, there is
indeed a sense of irreversible separation ? man from
sacrificed object.  That separation may in some cases (e.g.
goats) would involve actual dismemberment while the gold
that is sacrificed and given irrevocably to God is in no
way physically cut or dismembered in any way, only
metaphorically.  The lexeme includes a very narrow physical
meaning ( 1 ? 2), a religious / ritual meaning (3 ? 4), and
a broad, general meaning of separation of an object from
man to be given irreversibly to God with or without any
actual cutting or mutilation (5 ? 6).  The Arabic might
only include 5-6.


Jack Tladatsi