Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

Hello Stephen,

how are you today?

You'll be glad to know that I have felt regrets for being born British. 
This is why I moved away from Britain and visited other cultures and 
languages in an attempt to put off my Britishness and become without 
nationality. It was a very difficult task and I haven't fully succeeded 
yet and rather than becoming a person without nationality I've rather 
become a person with a confused nationality and am often witnessed 
making proud statements such as 'In Italy we ...' or 'In Spain...' as 
if we do it better over there. This usually provokes bewildered looks 
from my fellow brits who look at me as if to say 'But you're British 
moron!'.
I'm truly sorry for all that my ancestors have done in the way of raping 
and plundering other countries and I hope that they will not repeat this 
error. I also hope that we will begin to make foreign language study a 
higher priority as we are highly renowned for our linguistic ignorance 
in other european countries.
You're right that I should read the Massorah myself before formulating 
an opinion. I'll put it on my to do list, which currently has approximately
1,000,000 other things before it but hey with everlasting life(god willing)
ahead I'm sure I'll find the time.
Please, feel free to continue to point out to me my wickedness and badness 
and I will make a concerted effort to make the necessary changes to gain 
your approval. Please appreciate, that being a pagan Briton that has suffered 
a lifetime of being brainwashed into believing that I am part of a master race
this may take some time and patience but with your perseverance and constant
reminders of my British wickedness we will no doubt make some sort of 
progress 
in the near future. I've thought of a slogan for our campaign:

'Down with the Queen and the fascist regime!!!'

I figured that if we attach it to a funky beat and do a massive spam wave to 
every email address of potential britons we may make some headway and hey! 
Who 
knows? Maybe one day some of the British may be able to become humble 
servants 
of Yahweh like yourself. 
I know! The British are only fit for destruction but you never know. The 
ninivites 
repented and Yah forgave them and so maybe there is some hope in the mission 
of
your anti-britain form of 'Christiany'

'Those who do fine works come to the light, in order that their works may be 
made manifest.'

My interpretation of these words are 'If you are doing something in secret, 
it 
is usually because you are ashamed of it and therefore deep down inside you 
know that it is wrong'.

Once again, thank you for the enlightening experience you have given me. 
Please 
continue to send you proselytic emails. They are most endearing. Especially 
the 
ones where you tell me how wicked all the British are and how we are all 
going to 
burn in the lake of fire. It's such warm and endearing words as these that 
make your religious schism seem so inviting. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen [mailto:stephen4yeshua AT yahoo.com]
Sent: Fri 10/7/2005 2:01 AM
To: Read, James C
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ayin and Ghayin
 
james,
 
the massorah is so deep, one must examine it oneself. the fact that you rely 
on what others say, ought to show you that you eat the wrong bread.
 
Yahshua said, "eat My bread"..
 
I wonder to ask you, have you repented yet from your wicked british 
mentality, and your overall wickedness?
 
eating the wrong bread, is idol worship. this is what makes you so evil..
 
I hope you can see your evil ness. I really do.
 
please repent...
 
stephen  the humble  messenger for Yahweh

"Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk> wrote:
Erm, I haven't personally read the massorah but from all those that 
have read it or portions of it I gather that the hebrew it contains 
is more than blatantly evidently much more modern in style and word 
usage.

On the matter of the number of phonemes, while I haven't studied the 
matter deep enough to formulate an opinion I do think the owness of 
proof is rather on us to prove Karl wrong in this matter than vice 
versa. The reason for this is clear. The unpointed text uses 22 
characters. In general, when languages invent a system of recording 
its sounds they try to use one character per sound. English is a great 
exception to this rule but to be frank, the English writing system is 
the bastardised product of countless conquests against our little 
fertile (and very wet) island. And so examples of English betrayal of 
this pattern would be completely irrelevant.
So, for this reason, unless we are to present convincing internal 
evidence to Karl that such was not the case, he is more than justified 
in believing that the consonants used in the hebrew text of the torah 
represent the whole range of the consonants that its author/s were 
capable of pronouncing.

There again we would do well to ask ourselves a few questions:

Where did moses learn to write hebrew?
In egypt he would have used hyroglyphs (please feel free to correct the 
spelling)
Did Abraham, Isaac & Jacob write? Did they learn to write from their 
Chaldean routes? Was the hebrew that Abraham spoke different to the 
hebrew that Moses spoke? Archaic yhwh seems to suggest that this was so.
Did moses learn to write hebrew in Egypt as part of his royal education?
Or did he learn it from his time with Jethro and the sheep?
Was the ability to write a sign of education? Or could all hebrews write?
Did the hebrews he left Egypt with help him to learn how to write as he had 
always 
read and written Egyptian prior?

On the matter of sin/shin I think Karl has good reason to believe these 
represented 
one sound. Take for example the English 'u' (I know, I am now officially a 
hypocrite).Not so long ago Peter said that English 'u' is like a russion 'a'.
Well, not for me it isn't! For me there is no difference between the 
'u' of run and the 'u' of bull. For Peter, they are two different phonemes 
and the 'u' of Peter's run is similar to my 'a' of ran. Estuary English goes 
the whole hog and I cannot distinguish the difference between my 'ran' 
and their 'run' and therefore have to rely on context to understand if they 
are referring to the past or the present. While this is an extreme example 
it does show how with time and dialectal differences, how one character can 
come to represent two phonemes when at one time in the history of the 
language 
it only represented one sound.

This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.
_______________________________________________
b-hebrew mailing list
b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew

                
---------------------------------
Yahoo! for Good
 Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. 

This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.


This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.
>From k0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk  Thu Oct  6 21:57:54 2005
Return-Path: <k0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>
X-Original-To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Received: from mail57.messagelabs.com (mail57.messagelabs.com
        [195.245.230.115])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AC1E4C008
        for <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Thu,  6 Oct 2005 21:57:53 -0400 
(EDT)
X-VirusChecked: Checked
X-Env-Sender: k0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk
X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-57.messagelabs.com!1128650272!88835047!1
X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=kingston.ac.uk,-,-
X-Originating-IP: [141.241.2.18]
Received: (qmail 14113 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 01:57:52 -0000
Received: from kuexim2.king.ac.uk (141.241.2.18)
        by server-7.tower-57.messagelabs.com with SMTP;
        7 Oct 2005 01:57:52 -0000
Received: from [141.241.17.18] (helo=KUDBEX01.kuds.kingston.ac.uk)
        by kuexim2.king.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50)
        id 1ENhUd-0004Nq-II; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:57:51 +0100
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
MIME-Version: 1.0
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:57:49 +0100
Message-ID: 
<6B84A53BD25BCA46B070A05DD8C8C9F874EED9 AT KUDBEX01.kuds.kingston.ac.uk>
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: [b-hebrew] Ayin and Ghayin
Thread-Index: AcXK2z0C8/p7NgumR66pOZHLh+X3igABlJfE
From: "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>
To: "George F Somsel" <gfsomsel AT juno.com>, <kwrandolph AT email.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
        charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6
Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ayin and Ghayin
X-BeenThere: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6
Precedence: list
List-Id: Hebrew Bible List <b-hebrew.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew>,
        <mailto:b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/b-hebrew>
List-Post: <mailto:b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew>,
        <mailto:b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:57:54 -0000


Come on George! Don't you think that's a bit harsh? This is a place for 
producing linguistic evidence against the theories we don't support but 
not a place for making personal attacks against people. 

Anyway, I think you may have misrepresented Karl here. He is not trying 
to impress with his ability to read unpointed hebrew. No-one can really 
say they know hebrew if they are not reading unpointed text. I think Karl 
is rather highlighting that the act of reading the hebrew unpointed lends 
to a view that sin/shin originally represented one phoneme. Nothing more 
and nothing less.

Personally, Iagree that reading unpointed text has large benfits. Because 
the reader is forced to use his first instincts and make better use of the 
context. I believe this is a fundamental step which makes the difference 
between making hebrew a part of you and not just an academic exercise 
(Yitzhak. Did you notice the improved spelling?).

For this reason, and others, my translation machine does not use the 
pointed hebrew text, which could cause errors in the statistical calculations 
it makes.

-----Original Message-----
From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of George F Somsel
Sent: Fri 10/7/2005 2:15 AM
To: kwrandolph AT email.com
Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ayin and Ghayin
 
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:41:29 -0500 "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
writes:
> Yitzhak:
> 
> You're just like Vadim, impossible!

+++++++++++++

Karl, 

If anyone is like Vadim, it is YOU.

+++++++++++++
 
> When I read documents like the Gezar Calendar and the 
> Siloam Inscription, I find writing entirely consistent with 
> examples found in pre-Exile Tanakh. Give me a clear 
> enough image and I have no trouble reading the text. 
> Have you ever read Tanakh from cover to cover?
> <SNIP>
> What does this tradition have to do with an analysis of the 
> unpointed Hebrew text? Huh??
> 
> Have you ever *read* the unpointed text cover to cover?

++++++++++++ 
Karl,

I doubt seriously that you have read the TANAK from cover to cover.  You
had to admit that you didn't know what to do with a passage from Job, and
there have been other other instances in which you seemed very much at a
loss.  If I were you I would drop this bit about reading the Hebrew text
from cover to cover (and especially the point about reading the unpointed
text) since I find it totally unimpressive though I know you are
attempting to impress everyone with your prowess at Hebrew.  It only
makes you a laughing-stock.
++++++++++++

> In closing, I have come to the conclusion that you don't 
> know Biblical Hebrew. Oh, you may have taken a class or 
> two in it, learning the paradigms presented in grammar 
> textbooks, but that is a far cry from reading the text cover 
> to cover. You have not analyzed even a simple, small 
> book like Ruth using an unpointed text, let alone the 
> whole Tanakh. All you do is parrot the beliefs of others. If 
> you were handed a document in archaic Hebrew script, 
> could you read it? I can. Apparently you love to argue just 
> to argue, well go on without me.
> 
> Karl W. Randolph.

++++++++++++

You would do well to take "a class or two" learning Hebrew.  Don't try to
impress me with your supposed prowess at reading the unpointed text from
cover to cover.  You're a phoney.

++++++++++++

george
gfsomsel
___________
_______________________________________________
b-hebrew mailing list
b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew

This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.


This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.
>From k0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk  Thu Oct  6 22:13:29 2005
Return-Path: <k0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>
X-Original-To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Received: from mail58.messagelabs.com (mail58.messagelabs.com 
[193.109.255.35])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A33AA4C008
        for <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Thu,  6 Oct 2005 22:13:28 -0400 
(EDT)
X-VirusChecked: Checked
X-Env-Sender: k0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk
X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-58.messagelabs.com!1128651207!101935676!1
X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=kingston.ac.uk,-,-
X-Originating-IP: [141.241.2.22]
Received: (qmail 14573 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 02:13:27 -0000
Received: from kuexim3.king.ac.uk (141.241.2.22)
        by server-7.tower-58.messagelabs.com with SMTP;
        7 Oct 2005 02:13:27 -0000
Received: from [141.241.17.18] (helo=KUDBEX01.kuds.kingston.ac.uk)
        by kuexim3.king.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50)
        id 1ENhji-0007Un-LX; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:13:27 +0100
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
MIME-Version: 1.0
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:11:26 +0100
Message-ID: 
<6B84A53BD25BCA46B070A05DD8C8C9F874EEDA AT KUDBEX01.kuds.kingston.ac.uk>
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: Ayin and Ghayin
Thread-Index: AcXK4vAfbxzwXe0CQPKDzcxaEm6ikAAAXvx2
From: "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>
To: "Stephen" <stephen4yeshua AT yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;
        charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6
Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ayin and Ghayin
X-BeenThere: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6
Precedence: list
List-Id: Hebrew Bible List <b-hebrew.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew>,
        <mailto:b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/b-hebrew>
List-Post: <mailto:b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew>,
        <mailto:b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:13:29 -0000


Yes Stephen, thank you for that. I have and am repenting for my wicked 
British ways. Do you have any practical advice to offer me? Which could 
aid me in becoming more, you know? More like you? And, you know? less like 
me?

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen [mailto:stephen4yeshua AT yahoo.com]
Sent: Fri 10/7/2005 3:00 AM
To: Read, James C
Subject:  Ayin and Ghayin
 
james,
 
have you repented yet?
 
Yahweh is crying out against you, to repent from your wicked british ways.
 
you are not upity to Him, you are downity.
 
humble thyself oh wicked child of the devil..
 
and repent...and be His child... please, before it is to late...
 
stephen Yahweh's humble messenger

"Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk> wrote:

Come on George! Don't you think that's a bit harsh? This is a place for 
producing linguistic evidence against the theories we don't support but 
not a place for making personal attacks against people. 

Anyway, I think you may have misrepresented Karl here. He is not trying 
to impress with his ability to read unpointed hebrew. No-one can really 
say they know hebrew if they are not reading unpointed text. I think Karl 
is rather highlighting that the act of reading the hebrew unpointed lends 
to a view that sin/shin originally represented one phoneme. Nothing more 
and nothing less.

Personally, Iagree that reading unpointed text has large benfits. Because 
the reader is forced to use his first instincts and make better use of the 
context. I believe this is a fundamental step which makes the difference 
between making hebrew a part of you and not just an academic exercise 
(Yitzhak. Did you notice the improved spelling?).

For this reason, and others, my translation machine does not use the 
pointed hebrew text, which could cause errors in the statistical calculations 
it makes.

-----Original Message-----
From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of George F Somsel
Sent: Fri 10/7/2005 2:15 AM
To: kwrandolph AT email.com
Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ayin and Ghayin

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:41:29 -0500 "Karl Randolph" 
writes:
> Yitzhak:
> 
> You're just like Vadim, impossible!

+++++++++++++

Karl, 

If anyone is like Vadim, it is YOU.

+++++++++++++

> When I read documents like the Gezar Calendar and the 
> Siloam Inscription, I find writing entirely consistent with 
> examples found in pre-Exile Tanakh. Give me a clear 
> enough image and I have no trouble reading the text. 
> Have you ever read Tanakh from cover to cover?
> 
> What does this tradition have to do with an analysis of the 
> unpointed Hebrew text? Huh??
> 
> Have you ever *read* the unpointed text cover to cover?

++++++++++++ 
Karl,

I doubt seriously that you have read the TANAK from cover to cover. You
had to admit that you didn't know what to do with a passage from Job, and
there have been other other instances in which you seemed very much at a
loss. If I were you I would drop this bit about reading the Hebrew text
from cover to cover (and especially the point about reading the unpointed
text) since I find it totally unimpressive though I know you are
attempting to impress everyone with your prowess at Hebrew. It only
makes you a laughing-stock.
++++++++++++

> In closing, I have come to the conclusion that you don't 
> know Biblical Hebrew. Oh, you may have taken a class or 
> two in it, learning the paradigms presented in grammar 
> textbooks, but that is a far cry from reading the text cover 
> to cover. You have not analyzed even a simple, small 
> book like Ruth using an unpointed text, let alone the 
> whole Tanakh. All you do is parrot the beliefs of others. If 
> you were handed a document in archaic Hebrew script, 
> could you read it? I can. Apparently you love to argue just 
> to argue, well go on without me.
> 
> Karl W. Randolph.

++++++++++++

You would do well to take "a class or two" learning Hebrew. Don't try to
impress me with your supposed prowess at reading the unpointed text from
cover to cover. You're a phoney.

++++++++++++

george
gfsomsel
___________
_______________________________________________
b-hebrew mailing list
b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew

This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.


This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.
_______________________________________________
b-hebrew mailing list
b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew

                
---------------------------------
Yahoo! for Good
 Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. 

This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.


This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.
>From kgraham0938 AT comcast.net  Thu Oct  6 22:21:28 2005
Return-Path: <kgraham0938 AT comcast.net>
X-Original-To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABA54C008
        for <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Thu,  6 Oct 2005 22:21:27 -0400 
(EDT)
Received: from 204.127.205.142 (smailcenter65.comcast.net[204.127.205.165])
        by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP
        id <2005100702211701200p5bp7e>; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:21:18 +0000
Received: from [69.136.149.33] by 204.127.205.142;
        Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:21:16 +0000
From: kgraham0938 AT comcast.net
To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:21:16 +0000
Message-Id: 
<100720050221.948.4345DB9B000EACCA000003B42207021553C8CCC7CF030E080E9D0905 AT comcast.net>
X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004)
X-Authenticated-Sender: a2dyYWhhbTA5MzhAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQMIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6
Subject: [b-hebrew] prepositions & grammar
X-BeenThere: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6
Precedence: list
List-Id: Hebrew Bible List <b-hebrew.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew>,
        <mailto:b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/b-hebrew>
List-Post: <mailto:b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew>,
        <mailto:b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:21:28 -0000

@Vadim:

Sorry for jumping in so late in the convo, but it seems to me that no one is 
ignoring the preposition here.  What I find is that whenever you have HAYAH + 
L: = Become.

If you look at any of the examples given by Michael Abernathy, I think you 
will discover the pattern.

Exodus 4:3 WAY:HIY L:NAXA$ = and it became a serpent.

Joshua 7:5 WAY:HIY L:MAYIM = and the heart of the people became water.

Judges 1:33  WB"YT `A:NAT HAYW LAHEM LAMAS =  and Beth Anath became forced 
labor for them.

Ruth 4:13 VAYYIQAX BO`AZ ET RWT VATT:HIY-LW = and Boaz took Ruth and she 
became to him.

So, I don't think anyone is ignoring anything, just noticing a pattern. That 
HAYAH + L: = Become.

--
Kelton Graham
KGRAHAM0938 AT comcast.net
>From leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il  Thu Oct  6 22:35:15 2005
Return-Path: <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
X-Original-To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Received: from mtaout2.012.net.il (mtaout2.012.net.il [84.95.2.4])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E874C008
        for <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Thu,  6 Oct 2005 22:35:14 -0400 
(EDT)
Received: from xp ([84.94.145.55])
        by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12)
        with SMTP id <0INY00MHXY4DIBK4 AT i_mtaout2.012.net.il> for
        b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:41:06 +0300 (IDT)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:34:14 +0200
From: Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-id: <007601c5caef$fd9349d0$f39d1bac@xp>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
        reply-type=original
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
References: 
<6B84A53BD25BCA46B070A05DD8C8C9F874EED7 AT KUDBEX01.kuds.kingston.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ayin and Ghayin
X-BeenThere: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6
Precedence: list
List-Id: Hebrew Bible List <b-hebrew.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew>,
        <mailto:b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/b-hebrew>
List-Post: <mailto:b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew>,
        <mailto:b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:35:15 -0000

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen [mailto:stephen4yeshua AT yahoo.com]
> Sent: Fri 10/7/2005 2:01 AM
> To: Read, James C
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ayin and Ghayin
>
> james,
>
> the massorah is so deep, one must examine it oneself. the fact that you
> rely on what others say, ought to show you that you eat the wrong bread.
>
> Yahshua said, "eat My bread"..
>


Now just where in the masorah is that? Can't seem to find it.

Oh, I see. It's in the GREEK masorah.

People, this whole thread is becoming ridiculous, and certainly has nothing
to do with biblical Hebrew.

Yigal