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["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

I have a weak Lancashire accent. I've lost most of it through my various 
travels.

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From: Peter Kirk [mailto:peter AT qaya.org]
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To: Read, James C
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ayin and Ghayin
 
On 07/10/2005 05:58, Read, James C wrote:

>...
>
>On the matter of sin/shin I think Karl has good reason to believe these 
>represented 
>one sound. Take for example the English 'u' (I know, I am now officially a 
>hypocrite).Not so long ago Peter said that English 'u' is like a russion 'a'.
>Well, not for me it isn't! For me there is no difference between the 
>'u' of run and the 'u' of bull. For Peter, they are two different phonemes 
>and the 'u' of Peter's run is similar to my 'a' of ran. Estuary English goes 
>the whole hog and I cannot distinguish the difference between my 'ran' 
>and their 'run' and therefore have to rely on context to understand if they 
>are referring to the past or the present. ...
>  
>

Just to clarify, my example was based neither on the Estuary English of 
my home town nor on a version like James' (is that Scottish, James?), 
but on standard or Received Pronunciation British English. I was also 
referring only to short unstressed vowels, in English and Russian.

-- 
Peter Kirk
peter AT qaya.org (personal)
peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
http://www.qaya.org/



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On 07/10/2005 05:58, Read, James C wrote:

>...
>
>On the matter of sin/shin I think Karl has good reason to believe these 
>represented
>one sound. Take for example the English 'u' (I know, I am now officially a
>hypocrite).Not so long ago Peter said that English 'u' is like a russion 'a'.
>Well, not for me it isn't! For me there is no difference between the
>'u' of run and the 'u' of bull. For Peter, they are two different phonemes
>and the 'u' of Peter's run is similar to my 'a' of ran. Estuary English goes
>the whole hog and I cannot distinguish the difference between my 'ran'
>and their 'run' and therefore have to rely on context to understand if they
>are referring to the past or the present. ...
>
>

Just to clarify, my example was based neither on the Estuary English of
my home town nor on a version like James' (is that Scottish, James?),
but on standard or Received Pronunciation British English. I was also
referring only to short unstressed vowels, in English and Russian.

--
Peter Kirk
peter AT qaya.org (personal)
peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
http://www.qaya.org/